Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=1000018§ion=&pIndex=2&aId=3000006&start=3&multiPageMode=true

Here's some pink stuff that I found interesting:

Regrowth on Cavalry was nerfed a bit, it appears.

If you charge a unit with Unstable/etc., and it is destroyed by the crumble/pop/whatever, you do not get an Overrun.

Models deployed by Scout do NOT count towards who finished deploying first.

They state specifically that the Razor Standard does not apply to a unit's ranged attacks, though I don't know if that was a debate at Giga.

Haha...you can only use magic item destruction items on Fozrick's Folding Fortress before the fortress is created.



There are also some new FAQ's on army books.

Most of it's really obscure.

Monstrous Cavalry now takes the highest T and W from both rider and mount, which is nice.

Q: Do lone characters get a Look Out, Sir roll against Impact
Hits if there is a friendly unit consisting of five or more models of
the character’s troop type within 3”? (p96)
A: Yes.

What? Since when are impact hits templates or ranged? Am I missing something?

Q: If a Witch Hunter is equipped with a magic item such as the
Ring of Volans or the Ruby Ring of Ruin, will any bound spell
e ects/magic missiles retain the Killing Blow special rule against the
target of the Witch Hunter’s Accusation rule? (p37)
A: Yes.

Page 29 – Army Special Rules, Entombed Beneath the Sands
Add “A unit with the Entombed Beneath the Sands special
rule may choose to deploy normally along with the rest of the
army if the owning player wishes. In this case, the owning
player must clearly state this to their opponent before either
player begins deploying their army

Huge, beneficial change.

Page 115 – Magic Banners, Banner of Rage.
Add “If given to a unit of cavalry, both the riders and their
mounts count as affected elements for the purposes of the Extra
Attack special rule.”

Woc cavalry.

Its because Impact hits are distributed like shooting attacks. You can imagine people are helping him avoid the incoming Ogres/Chariot/Big frakkin monsters...

LoS isn't based on how they are distributed. It's shooting attacks and templates. It makes lone heroes a LITTLE more resilient, but the primary reason lone heroes are lone is because they are of a type that can't join units, like (ridden) monsters. Those guys won't get a LoS no matter the circumstances.

Well, we arn't sure about GWs reasoning.

There certaintly isn't a rules justification for this and I think its silly. I think GW is thinking along the lines of the reason I gave(which is stupid)

I think the no overrun from popping unstable things is going to be the biggest change. It allows for conga lines of furies or TK light cav to ensure a block doesn't get to move.

VC benefit a huge amount from that too.

I don't think so. You still have to have enough to field a whole unit. That's generally 30-60pts depending on race. Least for VC, most for DoC. But it's least for VC because if you field 10 zombos they will die in one round, not due to Unstable, but because they got butchered. If they wipeout they can choose to overrun.

There's a really fine line between having enough wounds to survive 1 round of direct combat but still die due to Unstable. And you don't know what army/blocks you are going to face beforehand. Trying to keep an Ogre guttstar held and a Chosenstar are very different.

DukeRustfield wrote:
I don't think so. You still have to have enough to field a whole unit. That's generally 30-60pts depending on race. Least for VC, most for DoC. But it's least for VC because if you field 10 zombos they will die in one round, not due to Unstable, but because they got butchered. If they wipeout they can choose to overrun.

There's a really fine line between having enough wounds to survive 1 round of direct combat but still die due to Unstable. And you don't know what army/blocks you are going to face beforehand. Trying to keep an Ogre guttstar held and a Chosenstar are very different.

20 zombies is minimum zombies (unless summoned).
What is awesome is:
2 dire bats (32 points)
5 direwolves (40 points)
1 spirit host (45 points)
10 skeletons (with spears!) 50 points




Automatically Appended Next Post:

DukeRustfield wrote:
LoS isn't based on how they are distributed. It's shooting attacks and templates. It makes lone heroes a LITTLE more resilient, but the primary reason lone heroes are lone is because they are of a type that can't join units, like (ridden) monsters. Those guys won't get a LoS no matter the circumstances.

IIRC, LoS was previously FAQ'd to include magic hits (like magic missiles).
Adding impact hits would mean things distributed like shooting.
Maybe the next faq will include LOS for stomp/thunderstomp.

-Matt

One of the more important changes:

Page 83 – Monstrous Cavalry.
In the second paragraph, replace “All the cavalry rules…with
one exception – monstrous cavalry always use the highest
Wounds characteristic…” with “All the cavalry rules…with
two exceptions – monstrous cavalry always use the highest
Toughness and Wounds characteristics…”

T4 W3 2+Sv Demigryph Knights, and a T4 Unkillable Dreadlord on Dark Pegasus. Sooooo awesome.

You mean 1+ save Demigryphs

 Grey Templar wrote:
You mean 1+ save Demigryphs

2+ with halberds no?

Not sure which build is better, but it's a 2+ at worst.

But Halberds suck on Demigryphs. The rider only has 1 attack.

The demigryph is there to do the killing, the rider is there for the armour save...

I see. That makes sense.

Personally I would love (for fluff reasons) to be able to give them great weapons (esp. as basic knights can swap) to be able to make a White Wolf unit on thunderwolves, but ah well, suppose cav. hammer and cav. halberd could be the same thing.

Not sure if you guys noticed it but the power scroll got a boost with this FAQ. It was originally FAQed to reduce the cost of a spell by half, but now it has reverted back to its original thing that any double is a miscast and Irresistable Force

After the long drawn out argument about the Razor Banner and shooting I am so so happy that that they have finally done an FAQ for this

Not sure if anyone noticed, but the Power Scroll was buffed, because the scroll's entry was removed. This means that when you use the scroll now, any double is IF/MC.

I don't understand what you mean about the Power Scroll.

It had previously been Errata'd to be much less powerful then it was as written in the book. The entry has now been removed.

Ahhhhh, the scroll's entry in the ERRATA was removed, so it has been reverted back into it's original form as found in the BRB. I get it.

Yeah, it's weird and probably an oversight. I mean, that White Dwarf is still out and about with the change, so its kind of confusing. Hopefully restore it quickly.

 japehlio wrote:
Personally I would love (for fluff reasons) to be able to give them great weapons (esp. as basic knights can swap) to be able to make a White Wolf unit on thunderwolves, but ah well, suppose cav. hammer and cav. halberd could be the same thing.

White Wolf Hammers counted as Halberds when used by foot troops in the Storm of Chaos book.

That's MY justification once I get around to making them.

Razor standard FAQ is trash. There goes one of my buddies favorite units.

Really? What unit was that?

I think the Razor Standard FAQ was pretty much RAW...

Tomb Kings Archers.
IIRC It just said attacks. Shooting attacks are attacks correct?

It says they have the AP rule. AP is almost always applied to a weapon or source of attacks. It even says it in the rule for AP. Ogre Leadbelcher cannon is AP but their CC attacks aren't. Empire mortar is AP but it's CC attacks are not. I think that's pretty much the way with everything.

Also it is far (far!) easier to increase the dmg and attributes of CC attacks than ranged attacks. Half the units in the game can get some kind of weapon that makes their CC attacks better, from halberds to great weapons. There's almost no upgrades to ranged weapons. And a banner that can make ever attack, ranged or CC, AP for 45 pts is extremely undercosted.

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
Tomb Kings Archers.
IIRC It just said attacks. Shooting attacks are attacks correct?

The basic rule book says that a weapon with ap applies the effect to the attacks with that weapon. A model with AP applies the effect to the close combat attacks.
So if I had a halberd and a dark elf whip, I'd get armor piercing when fighting with the whip, but not the halberd.
If I had a halberd and a repeating crossbow, I'd get the AP with the shots, but not in melee.
If I take the banner, the models gain the AP rules, so all my melee attacks pick it up, but my shooting doesn't.
It's not a change at all, it's just something that came up so often, I'm glad they spelled it out.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
Tomb Kings Archers.
IIRC It just said attacks. Shooting attacks are attacks correct?

The basic rule book says that a weapon with ap applies the effect to the attacks with that weapon. A model with AP applies the effect to the close combat attacks.
So if I had a halberd and a dark elf whip, I'd get armor piercing when fighting with the whip, but not the halberd.
If I had a halberd and a repeating crossbow, I'd get the AP with the shots, but not in melee.
If I take the banner, the models gain the AP rules, so all my melee attacks pick it up, but my shooting doesn't.
It's not a change at all, it's just something that came up so often, I'm glad they spelled it out.

-Matt

Unless you have a page to quote, the BRB rule for AP doesn't say a single thing about MODELS having the rule, only weapons.

The entry for the Razor Standard specifies that the MODELS gain AP, it doesn't say for melee specifically, nor does it exclude anything, therefore based on those 2 facts I'd say that it applies to ranged weapons on the grounds that the Banner is what is producing the effect, not the weapons themselves.

The wording in the BRB is poor and should specify such an exclusion, which the FAQ didn't even errata, they only gave a ruling on the question.

Page 67 main rules, under Armour Piercing.

"Wounds caused in close combat by a model with this special rule. . ."

"If a model has a weapon with . . ."