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If we look at the current fluff, it becomes abundantly clear that the Tyranids pose a legitimate threat to the continued existence of the human race. The only real reason the IoM has been able to keep them at bay has been the relatively concentrated attacks by the Tyranids up to this point. With that I mean that whole hive fleets tend to go for single targets, and they have not yet realized that the Imperium would have an infinitely more difficult time fighting a hundred small swarms than 1 large one.

The situation becomes far bleaker when we take into account that the current Tyranid forces in the galaxy are heavily hinted at only being a spearhead for a much larger force. With the other Xenos forces in the galaxy showing very little to no interest in standing together with the IoM against the Great Devourer, the human race stands to be wiped out, or at the very least lose a significant portion of its people and planets.

This brings me to the Ruinous Powers and unending their host of daemons. It is common knowledge that the 4 chaos gods derive their power from the emotions of sentient beings, and that Ork emotions and worship feed their own vastly stronger gods, Gork and Mork. Thus the vast majority of the Chaos gods'power comes from humanity, which is why the Ruinous Powers do not wish to wipe out humanity, but rather wish to enslave and oppress it.

This brings me to my question, namely would the Chaos gods conceivably intervene to save their source of existence and power from these unending hordes of emotionless beings? Daemons would make the perfect force with which to combat the Tyranid hordes, as they exist out of energy and give the Nids no biomass at all upon death. They also have numbers without end, but they actually have truly inexhaustible manpower where the Nids do not, as daemons slain in the material realm simply return to the Warp.

The effects of the shadow in the warp, cast by the hive mind of the Nids, on Daemons and their ability to enter the material realm must also be considered.

The Nids would just eat their own dead, snd regain the lost troops. Even burning them to ashes doesn't eork, in fact the Pyrovore is designed to incinerate enemies and regain the biomass.

Besides, the only way that would happen would be if the Emperor allowed Daemons to enter, in which case humanity would be doomed.

Seriously, the only way Nids can be defeated is by Chuck Norris. And he is taking time off in the next galaxy.

That's why I like Tyranids. No matter the resistance they overcome, using super-evolution to defeat the problem. Make yourself totally designed to beat the enemy. Even winning back one planet only helps the Hive Mind. In fluff terms, Tyranids are infinately superior to the other races.

The Imperium doesn't need Chaos to defeat the Tyranids anyway.

All it takes to beat the Nids for good is to stop defending about half the planets in the Imperium and redirect all your forces to defend the other half, than just push out and annihilate Leviathan piece of by piece with a force made up of half a thousand space marine chapters and several million Guard regiments. Once Leviathan is gone, the other Hive Fleets will be easier to tackle.

The Imperium's greatest weakness has always been that it's trying to defend too much space at one time.

We dont really need to do anything ,much different then weve been doing, We can do stuff Maccrage style and even if they do get in the galaxy orks will start fighting them (drawn to battle), the Iom will be fighting them, and the tau will be fighting them(Tyranid fleets pass near their space), thats a three on one sucker punch and not one i think the tyranids will easily beat

I don't think the Gods of Chaos would recognize or even care about the Tyranids. They were concerned about the Emperor, yes, because his psychic resonance made him a visible flame in their realm. Tyranids draw their psychic powers from the Hive Mind and the Gods of Chaos could give 2 gaks about them, even if they wiped out humanity.

I see it more as tau and the IOM teaming up against the tyranids.

And IMO if thing the tyranids would struggle more vs the tau because tyranids might be the bio super-evolution but the tau are the tech super-evolution.

Tau are visionaries who i can see siding with the IoM for the "Greater Good" even if it is only a temporary alliance, also I can see the Eldar possibly helping although not outright declaring an alliance but more of a cloak and dagger type of assistance, while the Iom and Tau do all the real fighting.


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Also I think that orks will cause at least some trouble for the nids, as they will grow stronger and more poewrful, (see the Nids vs Octavius ork empire thread in fluff) and the orks also have lots of troops to expend.

Boss Grot Punt wrote:
Tau are visionaries who i can see siding with the IoM for the "Greater Good" even if it is only a temporary alliance, also I can see the Eldar possibly helping although not outright declaring an alliance but more of a cloak and dagger type of assistance, while the Iom and Tau do all the real fighting.

The Eldar way is more to trick the humans and orks into fighting the tyranids, as seen in the dawn of war game. Bastard pointy ears! Even the Tau might thunk it a good idea to let the Imperium get substantially nommed before they join in, so they can expand more easily. Yay grimdark!

I think it lies within the realm of possibility for Chaos to attack tyranids and prevent a particular Imperial world from being overrun, but the main cause of this would either be Tzeentch did it for some unknowable reason that is just part of some scheme of his, or a particular CSM lord attacking the Nids to keep them from destroying the planet, so that he can after (due to some previous grudge against said world or some other petty reason)

 Yonan wrote:

Boss Grot Punt wrote:
Tau are visionaries who i can see siding with the IoM for the "Greater Good" even if it is only a temporary alliance, also I can see the Eldar possibly helping although not outright declaring an alliance but more of a cloak and dagger type of assistance, while the Iom and Tau do all the real fighting.

The Eldar way is more to trick the humans and orks into fighting the tyranids, as seen in the dawn of war game. Bastard pointy ears! Even the Tau might thunk it a good idea to let the Imperium get substantially nommed before they join in, so they can expand more easily. Yay grimdark!

Expand into what though, assuming they can beat back any nids assailing the empire. All they have to expand to are dry airless barren husks of a planet. Not really worth the effort is it.

Theres something extremely amusing in tyranids being the greatest hope of the galaxy exterminating the chaos threat

BlaxicanX wrote:
The Imperium doesn't need Chaos to defeat the Tyranids anyway.

All it takes to beat the Nids for good is to stop defending about half the planets in the Imperium and redirect all your forces to defend the other half, than just push out and annihilate Leviathan piece of by piece with a force made up of half a thousand space marine chapters and several million Guard regiments. Once Leviathan is gone, the other Hive Fleets will be easier to tackle.

The Imperium's greatest weakness has always been that it's trying to defend too much space at one time.

I don't think that handing half a million worlds to a species which grows stronger with every consumed world is a good idea

I could definitely see Chaos going to war with the nids to save humanity. It's on the record that if humanity dies Chaos will suffer along with it because it has invested so heavily in the human race. But I wouldn't expect this to result in chaos and the Imperium fist bumping. More likely Chaos will try and massacre the entire population of some IoM sector so that they can summon a daemon army to destroy the Tyranids.

The issue here is not if the Nids are all powerful or if the Iom could beat them back on their own.

What I am asking is if Chaos would step in against the Tyranids or some other major threat to the continued existence of the Human race, when it becomes clear the the humans are going to be wiped out if they don't intervene.

Horus654 wrote:
The issue here is not if the Nids are all powerful or if the Iom could beat them back on their own.

What I am asking is if Chaos would step in against the Tyranids or some other major threat to the continued existence of the Human race, when it becomes clear the the humans are going to be wiped out if they don't intervene.

Yes, for the reason I stated above.

would the gods of chaos really care if they lost humanit?

though for Im sure given enough time the tau could come up with a vespid communicator (mind controller) for the nids and really mess with them.

 Desubot wrote:
would the gods of chaos really care if they lost humanit?

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