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Hi DakkaDakka,

I'm considering adding a unit of 8 Jokaero Weaponsmiths and 4 crusaders with a inquisitor+psyoccolum to be my long range terminator killer. With all of the psyker based armies at my FLGS it seemed like a good fit for my 4 10 man strike squad list. What I can't figure out is how the customization rule works. It looks to me that if I have 8 monkeys I auto roll a 6 which means I get to roll twice more ignoring 6's. I'm ok with that except that one of the rolls says the unit get a 5+ invul. The problem is that I took the crusaders as a way to get a 3+ invul. Would they now be forced to take the 5+ invul? Would like to hear from a wiser authority.

No as you always get to make the best save you have so the crusaders should still get heir storm shield save, everyone in the unit who doesn't have an invulnerable save would get the 5++ from the jokaeros.

necron99 wrote:
I auto roll a 6 which means I get to roll twice more

Yup.

necron99 wrote:
ignoring 6's.

Nooope.

In fact, unless GK got this specifically FAQed with 6e, this was actually stated in the FAQ of the 5e errata to mean that any additional rolls of 6 (Which you will always and only get with a unit containing 6+ jokaero) null and void. So jokaero only give the bonus with 5 or less of them, preferably 3 or 4 so you have less of a chance of rolling a pair of 6+s, wasting it.

if you have over a certain number of Jokearo, you will get nothing on the roll automatically.

Because you ignore further rolls of 6 and, if you have enough Jokearo, all your further rolls will be 6s.

 darkPrince010 wrote:

So jokaero only give the bonus with 5 or less of them, preferably 3 or 4 so you have less of a chance of rolling a pair of 6+s, wasting it.

Actually, if you want to maximise your chances of getting bonuses, you should only take 2 Jokaero. 4 Jokaero is worse than having only one, as far as getting bonuses is concerned.
See http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/449309.page#4279193 fpr the maths.

1): 2 jokaero give you the best results on the table, If you are taking more than that, you are just taking them for weapons and not for the upgrades on the table.




2) You gain a 5++ INV save in addition to your other saves. You keep your 3++ save on your crusaders and your 5+ armor save on Acolytes in the unit (for use against null zone)



3) consider a Psyker with divination instead of a Psyocculum, You always get a re-roll to hit, and it will work against Vehicles as well. [Remember GK vehicles are not psykers for the Psyocculum, they are only psykers when they are cast their spell, not any other time]


4) Consider the cost of the jokaero and how survivable they are. Your unit clocks in at 340 pts plus the inguisitor. I can take a unit with 3x Plasma Servitors, 2 Jokaero, and 5 bolters for 155 points.

I can take 2 of those units to your one super jokaero squad.
I can fire at 2 targets instead of one.
I have a ton more wounds to yours.
I get far better roles on the Jokaero upgrade table
I can sit in a Chimera if I want and use all 5 firepooints
I can have one unit move to take an objective while still shooting with the other unit.


overall Jokaero are decent, but they are very pricey for T3 with one wound. I would never take more than 2 in a single unit, and even then I am not always happy with them. For more on Henchmen you can look at the article in my signature.