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Good day, fellow defenders of the Imperium.

Having tired of charging at the enemy with my Blood Angel successors (the Crimson Gladiators..heh ) I've started a Storm Wardens army. Fluff says their speciality is mechanized warfare.
Anyways, the question at hand is I've modelled my commander with a powerfist and storm bolter so he can be used as Pedro whenever I feel like it. Most of the time im going to run him as a regular captain, and was wondering what to outfit his command squad with.

Traditionally, in 5th command squads that weren't mounted on bikes had two ways they could be built-

1. As a beatstick, armed with power weapons, storm shields. They charge into a fight with the captain in tow.
2. As a plasma squad, with 4 members armed with plasma weaponry, blasting out death.

I personally wanted a shooty squad myself, and like the plasma build. But according to 6th Ed FNP cant be taken against the Get's Hot rule..darn it.
So how do I outfit them?

I've been having a lot of success running a command squad as follows:

Command Squad -285
-4x Plasma Guns, 4x Flamers

While I do enjoy blasting elites with my plasma guns, the utility the squad brings of melting pathfinders, annoying Guard squads hanging out behind aegis lines etc.

Its still pretty cheap, T5 and FNP. I have the mobility to move around and get to where i need to go.

Interesting. I was wondering if combi-weapons would perhaps serve them better than special weapons?

Command Squads should have 4 special weapons. Either Plasma or Flamers.

 darkjedi203 wrote:

I personally wanted a shooty squad myself, and like the plasma build. But according to 6th Ed FNP cant be taken against the Get's Hot rule..darn it.
So how do I outfit them?

I think a Plasma Command Squad with FNP would definitely be the way to go, you could even toss them in a Razorback if needed. My question though is, where does it say that you cannot use FNP on an unsaved Wounds from the Gets Hot! rule?

 Smashotron wrote:

 darkjedi203 wrote:

I personally wanted a shooty squad myself, and like the plasma build. But according to 6th Ed FNP cant be taken against the Get's Hot rule..darn it.
So how do I outfit them?

I think a Plasma Command Squad with FNP would definitely be the way to go, you could even toss them in a Razorback if needed. My question though is, where does it say that you cannot use FNP on an unsaved Wounds from the Gets Hot! rule?

yeah, nothing prevents you from taking FnP against Gets Hot. It is a wound.

If shooty, then go for a razorback or drop-pod. The lack of assualt on disembarking won't really hurt them.

If combat orientated then you really need to stick them in a land-raider so they can assault on disembarking and won't be left in no-mans land. However, you're then heading into TH/SS terminator range and they can take the LR as a dedicated transport as well as being cheaper! Compare 2+/3++ to 3+/3++ with FNP and they are essentially as tough as each other. I'd only ever really go shooty, but then again I only ever use mine on bikes.

For foot combat oriented I would tend towards honour gaurd rather than a command squad as they get a 2+ save and a power weapon as standard. Stick a few grenade launchers in there, give the chapter master hellfire rounds and they can still do a job from a razorback as they get a half decent roudn of shooting in before hitting combat.

Gets hot isn't a wound you take on the strength & AP of the weapon that got hot. It's just an automatic wound. You always get your save against it.


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 somecallmeJack wrote:
Gets hot isn't a wound you take on the strength & AP of the weapon that got hot. It's just an automatic wound. You always get your FNP save against it.

Command squads not on bikes are only good as they can do two different roles, cc and shooting. Flexibility is awesome.
Before a rhino was an option as you ran forward shooting from the turret plasma/melta fire, then could assault out the rhino.
Else you drop pod, shoot everything to death with melta but then keep back enough cc weapons to hurt the enemy in assault.

Now:
Drop pod is still an option. I would go 4 plasmas maybe some cc weapons, though this is mainly as it suits sternguard really well, as the sternguard can drop with heavy flamers and combimeltas to kill anything that doesn't need plasma fire. drop pods are really good in general.

Rhino now makes less sense as they can not assault which was the nice dual threat thing that made it work.

Footslogging, you can walk and shoot plasma guns 24'', this sounds very reasonable to me. I still wouldn't do this.

Razorback. In the right list what you want to do is razorback 6'' forward, deploy the command squad to give cover saves, then shoot for all you've got. Before you didn't want the command squad getting out, so the razorback would stop them firing. Now they can be more aggressive.

I've been kicking around a bike/Storm Shield/power weapon concept in the back of my head; it seems like T5/3++/jink save/FNP could do a lot to keep them alive, if you got around the fact that it's a 355pt unit...

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I've been kicking around a bike/Storm Shield/power weapon concept in the back of my head; it seems like T5/3++/jink save/FNP could do a lot to keep them alive, if you got around the fact that it's a 355pt unit...

For 5 models.
Honestly, no matter what you do, keeping them 'cheap' relative to other options in the codex is not gonna happen.
I think you'll want to put them to a focused role and go with the minimum needed.

I think the Command Squad bikers with 4 plasma guns is pretty good already.

So, to sum up..if on foot or in a Razor back, give four of them Plasma?