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Hey all!

To take Saga of the Hunter, it states "May only be taken by models in Power Armor.". Then again, under the entry for Runic Armor, the rules states "These suits of power armor..."

To clarify, can a model in Runic Armor take Saga of the Hunter?

Thanks!

 ZakFaire wrote:
Hey all!

To take Saga of the Hunter, it states "May only be taken by models in Power Armor.". Then again, under the entry for Runic Armor, the rules states "These suits of power armor..."

To clarify, can a model in Runic Armor take Saga of the Hunter?

Thanks!

No, as Runic armor is Runic armor
Power armor is power armor.

Check the entry for runic armor on pg 61

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
No, as Runic armor is Runic armor
Power armor is power armor.

Check the entry for runic armor on pg 61

I did, and the entry states "These suits of power armor...", which in my mind tells me that Runic Armor is Power Armor, hence my confusion. Additionally, though it is not RAW, it makes sense that the RAI would be this is allowed, because Runic Armor is just blessed Power Armor, not bigger or bulkier or anything like that.

Thanks for the reply!

 ZakFaire wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
No, as Runic armor is Runic armor
Power armor is power armor.

Check the entry for runic armor on pg 61

I did, and the entry states "These suits of power armor...", which in my mind tells me that Runic Armor is Power Armor, hence my confusion. Additionally, though it is not RAW, it makes sense that the RAI would be this is allowed, because Runic Armor is just blessed Power Armor, not bigger or bulkier or anything like that.

Thanks for the reply!

It has a section titled Runic Armor, not power armor.

RAI they are different.
Fluff =/= Rules

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 ZakFaire wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
No, as Runic armor is Runic armor
Power armor is power armor.

Check the entry for runic armor on pg 61

I did, and the entry states "These suits of power armor...", which in my mind tells me that Runic Armor is Power Armor, hence my confusion. Additionally, though it is not RAW, it makes sense that the RAI would be this is allowed, because Runic Armor is just blessed Power Armor, not bigger or bulkier or anything like that.

Thanks for the reply!

It has a section titled Runic Armor, not power armor.

RAI they are different.
Fluff =/= Rules

Sadly this is correct, but its ridiculous playing it as such. Its blatantly clear that it is a specialized power armour and in spite of me agreeing that its not the 'RAW' perse I'd play it as power armour for those purposes.

Thanks for the input, both of you. I was thinking the same, Bausk. I fired off a question to GW, see if they have anything to say, but the fact that it's not in the Errata is troubling.

Fluff wise, Runic armor is power armor with a bunch of Runes on it. I figured it was because of the bulk and size of Termy armor which prevented them from being Hunters; thus, the dilemma.

I asked one of the guys I usually play with, he had the same conclusion as Bausk, but I will definitely be respectful if another player has a problem with it, as technically, like JD was saying, it is RAW that they are different.

Thanks all!

Let me toss out a comparison question.



Rhino's have a rule called repair

Does a Razorback have it?

However a Razorback is " a rhino with a thundering great heavy weapon mounted atop it" pg 40 SW Codex

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Let me toss out a comparison question.



Rhino's have a rule called repair

Does a Razorback have it?

However a Razorback is " a rhino with a thundering great heavy weapon mounted atop it" pg 40 SW Codex

Quite true, but the Rhino is a heavily modified version of the Razorback. It had it's main weapon systems gutted and a repair system + more room for troops added in. Runic armor isn't really physically different than Power armor, it just has Runes inscribed on it. I understand where your coming from, I agree with your interpretation, but I still think that GW intended for Hunter to be used with Runic Armor.

I don't think the Razorback/Rhino is a good comparison. This is more like GK Power Armor vs. Wolves Power Armor. Do GKs not have Power Armor? Technically they have Aegis Armor, which gives them the Aegis special rule. So, if in their codex they say "Power Armor Only" can they not use it?

I think it was simply overlooked by GW.

 ZakFaire wrote:
Hey all!

To take Saga of the Hunter, it states "May only be taken by models in Power Armor.". Then again, under the entry for Runic Armor, the rules states "These suits of power armor..."

To clarify, can a model in Runic Armor take Saga of the Hunter?

Thanks!

When GW capitalizes something, they tend to be referring to a defined term.

Power Armor (wargear) =/= power armor (fluff text)

Does runic armour have a 3+ save and no other special rules? Does it have the same heading in the wargear section? Is artificer armour power armour cos the BT codex fluff calls it a suit of power armour?

The answer to all these questions is no. You look in the army list section and it is listed as an upgrade so a model armed with runic armour is not only functionally different to one in power armour it's wargear is listed as different.

I and others answered this one a decent while back: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/478234.page

But to sum: No, runic armor may be 'power armor' (as in, the same general concept), but it is not 'Power Armor' (as in, the specific wargear item).
Power Armor (the wargear) is a different entry from Runic Armor (the wargear) (even though the latter is described as a type of ancient power armor.)

in essence: fluff =/= rules text.

Where does it say only models in power armour can take saga of the hunter?

 WolvesForTheWolfGod wrote:
Where does it say only models in power armour can take saga of the hunter?

Page 85 under Wolf Priest and Battle Leader.

 WolvesForTheWolfGod wrote:
Where does it say only models in power armour can take saga of the hunter?

It's an asterik on the option for the viable canidate IIRC.

The asterisk under the WGBL and Wolf Priest pg 85

It doesnt matter what the codex says in the "Fluffy" parts, what is important is the actual rules

"these suits of power armour" is not rules, the same way

"thrumming with the power of the warp.." from Logans axe doesnt enable him to use some powers from the warp such as psycic powers, its just for the story of it all