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So, when attempting to kill >7 Ork Boys with the Abyssal Staff do we use the modified or Unmodified leadership value? I tried to find an answer to this, but it may just be so obvious to everyone else and that I just missed it. Also, does the Fearless USR have any affect on determining wounds from the Abyssal Staff?

Orks may always substitute the number of models for their LD score. If the Abyssal Staff does not say to use the unmodified LD then you just go off of the mob's LD.

I don't think Mob rule would actually qualify as a modifier. Its a direct substitution. So something saying "Unmodified Ld" would not work.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I don't think Mob rule would actually qualify as a modifier. Its a direct substitution. So something saying "Unmodified Ld" would not work.

According to modifiers on pg 2, even making X into Z is a modifier.

Hmmm... oh well, I guess I'll resolve the Tesla Immortals' shots first and pray for the best with orcy hordes. Oh well.

 NakedSeamus wrote:
Hmmm... oh well, I guess I'll resolve the Tesla Immortals' shots first and pray for the best with orcy hordes. Oh well.

As long as Staff wielding dudes not in the same squad all is good ^^

Abyssal Staff doesn't specify it uses unmodified leadership, so the ork player will be getting the benefit of Mob Rule, and will be using Ld10 if the target unit numbers 10 or more.

That being said, run 2 of him in units of deathmarks and watchthat abyssal staff destroy 2 units in a single turn.

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
That being said, run 2 of him in units of deathmarks and watchthat abyssal staff destroy 2 units in a single turn.

Deep Striking close enough to cover 2 units with templates would be ... risky.
How else are you nuking 2 units in a turn?

Presumably with the 2 Staffs that Vindicare hinted at?

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Presumably with the 2 Staffs that Vindicare hinted at?

Right. 2 staffs would still have to target the same unit., covering as much of the target as possible... meaning it would still be difficult to cover more than one unit.

 NakedSeamus wrote:
Also, does the Fearless USR have any affect on determining wounds from the Abyssal Staff?

BRB Page 35 wrote:Units containing one or more models with the Fearless special rule automatically pass pinning, fear, and Regroup tests and Morale checks, but cannot Go to Ground and cannot choose to fail a Morale check due to the Our Weapons are useless rule

So since the abyssal staff causes none of those effects, they are perfectly vulnerable to it.

The Abyssal Staff wound roll, when not using the special Hunters From Hyperspace, is based on the majority Leadership value of the target unit just like when rolling to wound where you compare the strength of the attack based on the majority toughness of the unit that is being hit.

Aycee

Aycee71 wrote:
The Abyssal Staff wound roll, when not using the special Hunters From Hyperspace, is based on the majority Leadership value of the target unit just like when rolling to wound where you compare the strength of the attack based on the majority toughness of the unit that is being hit.

Aycee

Yes, as the OP is aware (thus his question) - though majority leadership does not come into play with Orks due to a near global Ld7, as well as Mob Rule.

rigeld2 wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Presumably with the 2 Staffs that Vindicare hinted at?

Right. 2 staffs would still have to target the same unit., covering as much of the target as possible... meaning it would still be difficult to cover more than one unit.

I meant 2 seperate units. My apolgiies if it was unclear.

Just stick that cryptek with the necron snipers and mark that ubit he wounds on 2's\

rigeld2 wrote:

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
That being said, run 2 of him in units of deathmarks and watchthat abyssal staff destroy 2 units in a single turn.

Deep Striking close enough to cover 2 units with templates would be ... risky.
How else are you nuking 2 units in a turn?

Who needs deep strike? We have night scythes!

 NakedSeamus wrote:
Hmmm... oh well, I guess I'll resolve the Tesla Immortals' shots first and pray for the best with orcy hordes. Oh well.

Good idea .

Tesla Immortals are very good anti-infantry supports.

 NakedSeamus wrote:
Hmmm... oh well, I guess I'll resolve the Tesla Immortals' shots first and pray for the best with orcy hordes. Oh well.

If you're playing necrons vs. orcs, you're playing two different game systems against each other.

 SgtSixkilla wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:
Hmmm... oh well, I guess I'll resolve the Tesla Immortals' shots first and pray for the best with orcy hordes. Oh well.

If you're playing necrons vs. orcs, you're playing two different game systems against each other.

I'm sorry, but isn't that true anytime you're play one army against a different army?

 NakedSeamus wrote:

 SgtSixkilla wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:
Hmmm... oh well, I guess I'll resolve the Tesla Immortals' shots first and pray for the best with orcy hordes. Oh well.

If you're playing necrons vs. orcs, you're playing two different game systems against each other.

I'm sorry, but isn't that true anytime you're play one army against a different army?

He means, since they were called "Orcs" they must be fantasy, as "Orks" are 40k.

In other words, he's being a wiseguy.

 Kevin949 wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:

 SgtSixkilla wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:
Hmmm... oh well, I guess I'll resolve the Tesla Immortals' shots first and pray for the best with orcy hordes. Oh well.

If you're playing necrons vs. orcs, you're playing two different game systems against each other.

I'm sorry, but isn't that true anytime you're play one army against a different army?

He means, since they were called "Orcs" they must be fantasy, as "Orks" are 40k.

In other words, he's being a wiseguy.

Ah, I see.