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So I am again playing a friend at my local club this week. His Eldar are tough to beat (it's a well oiled tourney list). I've finally shifted from the DA codex to the Vanilla SM book as I think the DA book has really started to show its age and want to take a Storm talon. I've settled on the list below having played around with a list earlier that had more Dreadnoughts to lay down even more fire. But Assault terminators will be more useful.

HQ
Librarian - Terminator armour w/ Storm Bolter

Elites
Assault terminators - 3x TH/SS, 2x LC
Assault terminators - 3x TH/SS, 2x LC

Troops 
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML

Fast Attack
Storm talon gunship - Typhoon ML

Heavy support 
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons


I am happy with the amount of fire I am going to be able to lay down as I'll need to take out walkers, fire dragons and transports before they can do too much damage. I have around 35+ heavy weapon shots if my troops are static. But what do you think? Is this a decent all round list?

Thanks,

NW4NW

ofcourse the terminators

Thought so, just needed a second opinion. Do you like the list as it stands?

Thanks,

NW4NW

I dont know about 3 predators, I would have taken away one of them and bought a land speeder for agression and a melta to slow their armour.

I didn't take anything over strength 10 as they can reduce its effectiveness to 8 anyway. So I have gone for weapons that could glance to death or simply lay down a lot of fire against troops (as well as a lot of Frag and Krak).

Thanks,

NW4NW

i dont see the value of 10 assault terminators in this list. Eldar can out a punishing amount of firepower, so 10 unprotected termies are going to be whittled down bit by bit.

I'd be inclined to go with sternguard. give the libby gate and move around that way, exploiting opening in his army.

I had considered losing a Predator and an Assault Terminator squad in order to afford a Land Raider Crusader and an Aegis Defence line.

HQ
Librarian - Terminator armour w/ Storm Bolter

Elites
Assault terminators - 3x TH/SS, 2x LC

Troops
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Flamer, ML
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML

Fast Attack
Storm talon gunship - Typhoon ML

Heavy support
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Land Raider Crusader

Fortification
Aegis defence line

I sit the tac squad with the Flamer and no Rhino behind the Aegis defence line, Land Raider takes the terminators too them and I still have a load of fire power.

Failing that take Gate with the Lib and increase the size of the terminator squad to ten so they can move with him. The large amount of Storm shields would make the Terminators pretty robust to fire. And a focus away from other units.

What do you think?

Thanks,

NW4NW

An aegis isn't really needed. Eldar doesn't have fliers (AFAIK), so the points could be better used else where(?)

I think the generic land raider is better. 2 LC is great for popping tanks then termies drop out and charge the people inside.

You say it's a 'well oiled' tourney list, i'll put money on the fact that he has holo-fields on all his vehicles. That makes popping av12 harder.

NoWill4NoWay wrote:
I had considered losing a Predator and an Assault Terminator squad in order to afford a Land Raider Crusader and an Aegis Defence line.

HQ
Librarian - Terminator armour w/ Storm Bolter

Elites
Assault terminators - 3x TH/SS, 2x LC

Troops
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Flamer, ML
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML

Fast Attack
Storm talon gunship - Typhoon ML

Heavy support
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Land Raider Crusader

Fortification
Aegis defence line

I would drop the Aegis line and termies for sternguard fully kitted out in a pod. Then switch out the Crusader for a vanilla LR with LC for tank popping.

So something a bit more like this? Won't the Sternguard be fairly easy pickings though?


HQ
Librarian - Terminator armour w/ Storm Bolter, Gate and Smite

Elites
Sternguard x6 - 3x combi weapons, 2x PF w/ Drop pod

Troops
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Flamer, ML
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML

Fast Attack
Storm talon gunship - Typhoon ML

Heavy support
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Land Raider

Thanks,

NW4NW

dont bother with the power fists. i'd go with another guy + combi-weapon. (IMO)

Sorted,

Librarian - Terminator armour w/ Storm Bolter, Gate and Smite

Elites
Sternguard x7 - 4x combi weapons w/ Drop pod

Troops
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Flamer, ML
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML

Fast Attack
Storm talon gunship - Typhoon ML

Heavy support
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Land Raider

Thanks everyone,

NW4NW

Honestly, I would drop a single sternguard, make it so 4 have combi-melta and 2 have combi-flamer, then use the remaining points for a better weapon on the libby.

At 1750, I'd drop both scouts and run with the 3 Tactical Squads for scoring. Get another Rhino for that third Squad.

Depending on how big you made those squads, I'd then reinvest the points in Landspeeder Typhoons or Sternguard.

There's also no need for one Land Raider at 1750 if it isn't carrying Terminators.

I had Terminators originally but they were swapped for the Sternguard. Thinking of bringing them back in as I lack the models for multiple combi-weapons (I only have three). So the current list stands as this.

HQ
Librarian - Terminator armour w/ Storm Bolter, Gate and Smite

Elites
Assault Terminators - 3x TH/SS, 2x LC

Troops
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML w/ Telion

Fast Attack
Storm talon gunship - TL Lascannon

Heavy support
Predator - w/ Lascannon sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Land Raider


Thinking of testing Telion and just one Scout squad. What do you guys think? I have 35 points knocking around, 85 if you think Telion is a no go.

With the Sternguard I have it looks like this.

HQ
Librarian - Terminator armour w/ Storm Bolter, Gate and Smite

Elites
Sternguard - 3x combi weapons, 2x PF in Drop Pod

Troops
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML w/ Telion

Fast Attack
Storm talon gunship - TL Lascannon
Attack Bike Squadron (3) w/ Multi-melta

Heavy support
Predator - w/ Lascannon sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons

Thanks,

NW4NW

I don't know but I would consider your original list but change the assault terminators to regular terminators. Assault Cannons or CMLs are going to add to your firepower. Regular termies are better than anything in assault - except for assault terminators. 10 stormbolters and 2 CMLs sound like enough coverage against eldar. The 2+ armor is going to make you impervious to all except starcannons, wraith guns, bright lances and pulse lasers.

How do you feel about locator beacons? Add that to the Drop pod for my Sternguard and the Terminators can zero in and make a real impact alongside them the next round.

More feet on the ground, I lose the Land Raider but that was a big points sink and unlikely to last the first round.

HQ
Librarian - Terminator armour w/ Storm Bolter, Gate and Smite

Elites
Sternguard - 3x combi weapons, 2x PF in Drop Pod w/ locator beacon
Terminators - Assault cannon, 2 Chain fists

Troops
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Tactical squad - Plasma, ML - Rhino
Scouts - Camo cloaks, ML

Fast Attack
Storm talon gunship - TL Lascannon

Heavy support
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons
Predator - w/ HB sponsons

Cheers,

NW4NW

It looks good. i would not reserve your termies though. You have a terminator librarian with gate. Just deploy them on board and shoot the snot out of something. If you need to save the sternguard, you can gate in with the termies and have the locator beacon to home in on. I notice you are not stating what your scouts are armed with if not sniper rifles, they can still be mobile. A homer beacon on the sgt allows you to have a mobile force and again the ability to reinforce with the terminators.

I was planning to use the scouts with Sniper rifles. Static in cover and hopefully causing problems for a couple of turns.

Good idea on the Termies, imagine he'll have Eldrad though so may deny a lot of my moves, hopefully get lucky. Does gate home in on the locator beacon?

Cheers,

NW4NW

Honestly, I really liked the first list except for the overabundance of troop choices. You don't need that many at 1750 points. Also with the more objective based games, MSU becomes more effective so I recommend getting the full squad and splitting, putting them in TL HB Razorbacks. Scout Snipers are great objective holders, especially when you have something that bolsters defences. Thunderfire Cannons are great for that as it's an extremely undercosted unit that does so much, especially in the current meta of heavy infantry. Here's how I would do it similar to how you have it:

HQ:
Librarian (140)
-Terminator Armor, Storm Shield, Force Axe, Gate of Infinity, Null Zone (for those pesky invul saves Eldar have)

Elites:
Terminator Assault Squad (240)
-4x Th/SS, 2x LC
Terminator Assault Squad (240)
-4x TH/SS, 2x LC

Troops:
Tactical Squad (230)
-10 men, Plasma, Sarge w/ Combi Plasma, ML
-Razorback, TL HB
Tactical Squad (230)
-10 men, Plasma, Sarge w/ Combi Plasma, ML
-Razorback, TL HB
Tactical Squad (230)
-10 men, Plasma, Sarge w/ Combi Plasma, ML
-Razorback, TL HB
Scout Squad (100)
-4x Sniper, 1x ML, Camo Cloaks

Heavy Support:
Predator (120)
-Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons
Predator (120)
-Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons
Thunderfire Cannon (100)

(also note this is more of a TAC than anti-warwalker eldar)

Like it, will have to use 'counts as, for the Thunderfire but will give it a go.

Thanks,

NW4NW

Zambro wrote:
An aegis isn't really needed. Eldar doesn't have fliers (AFAIK), so the points could be better used else where(?)

If he is allowed to use FW in his lists he could have a Phoenix bomber and/or a Nightwing Interceptor. Both are quite devastating fliers, the Nightwing is insane with up to 2+ cover save.

Fliers aside, at 1750 Eldrad will probably be on the field, so be careful as he is a psychic beast and makes most libby's look like school children.

Is there any way to combat Eldrad?

Null Zone on a libby and forcing invul saves works pretty well. If the group he's with gets attacked by TH/SS terminators, he's pretty much dead if null zone is activated. It only costs you around 380 in points (that won't be wasted and will continue to kill) while he'll lose Eldrad and whatever unit he is with. It all depends on the ability to close with the terminators.