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The U.N will consider imposing international regulation of the internet at a conference in Dubai next month. In true U.N. form the meeting is closed-door. Internet regulation would be a big prize for globalists who would love a way to regulate content and give themselves a global mechanism for tax revenue. Conference organizers claim they are not interested in controlling the internet – but since when has the U.N. convened any meeting that didn’t try to impose their authority in a global context. The U.S. should have nothing to do with this conference and should oppose any attempt to give the U.N. regulatory control or power to infringe on American sovereignty.

A U.N.-sponsored conference next month in Dubai will propose new regulations and restrictions for the Internet, which critics say will censor free speech, levy tariffs on e-commerce, and even force companies to clean up their “e-waste” and make gadgets that are better for the environment.

Concerns about the closed-door event have sparked a Wikileaks-style info-leaking site, and led the State Department on Wednesday to file a series of new proposals or tranches seeking to ensure “competition and commercial agreements — and not regulation” as the meeting’s main message.

Terry Kramer, the chief U.S. envoy to the conference, says the United States is against sanctions and believes management of the Internet by one central organization goes against free speech.

“[Doing nothing] would not be a terrible outcome at all,” Kramer said recently. “We need to avoid suffocating the Internet space through well-meaning but overly prescriptive proposals that would seek to control content.”

The conference will be run by the International Telecommunications Union (ITC), a U.N. agency that has typically provided a welcome service by making sure that the Internet works across countries. Many of its guidelines were first instituted in 1988. Most haven’t changed since then.

‘While the worst-case scenario isn’t likely, there’s a decent chance that some of these regulations will go into effect.’

- Josh King, an attorney with legal advice site Avvo.com

The World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT-12) is the first such meeting since those guidelines were created, and businesses are taking it seriously: U.S. delegates will include representatives from AT&T, Cisco, Facebook, GoDaddy, and dozens more.

To dispel concerns, the ITU played damage control in early October.

“There are no proposals submitted to create new international regulatory agencies, or mechanisms, and hence no proposals to put ITU in control of the Internet!” said Malcolm Johnson, ITU’s telecommunication standardization bureau director, in a written statement.

Despite those reassurances, key experts remain concerned.

The American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) is one of just five groups that assign numbers to Internet names, a key part of making the web tick. Cathy Handley, executive director of government affairs at ARIN and a conference attendee, said the meeting is meant to exert some sort of controls.

“Some of the proposals that could clearly have consequences address the high cost of mobile roaming, taxation of calls, issues associated with the routing of calls, cybersecurity and combating spam,” Handley told FoxNews.com. “A major concern is with any attempt to make the International Telecommunication Regulations prescriptive and force regulation.”

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This would be just plain stupid to even attempt at all and just simply impossible to do.
   
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 xxmatt85 wrote:
This would be just plain stupid to even attempt at all and just simply impossible to do.

Impossible to regulate... not really... difficult, yes.

The biggest fear is taxation...


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 whembly wrote:
 xxmatt85 wrote:
This would be just plain stupid to even attempt at all and just simply impossible to do.

Impossible to regulate... not really... difficult, yes.

The biggest fear is taxation...

And the potential riots.
   
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And the sheer stupidity of them even attempting it....

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And the sheer stupidity of them even attempting it....

Oh... they'll try...

And we'll say "NO".

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You guys haven't moved on to the espressonet yet? Have you been living under a rock?

Mm, I'm not worried. The internet stands for everything that is free and lewd. It will always remain a beacon of expression, obsession and regression, no matter how many bureaucrats stick their hands in it!

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 whembly wrote:
but since when has the U.N. convened any meeting that didn’t try to impose their authority in a global context.


That may be the craziest thing I've ever heard. I mean fething seriously, I know the UN as this nefarious one-world government thing that is taking over the planet is a big thing to a certain American mindset, but come on, reality has to come in at some point.

Seriously, you don't get to have threads about the UN taking over the world next to threads about how the UN are a bunch of spineless nobodies who can't stop dictators torturing their own people... and pretend you're doing anything but just making up stupid stuff to get outraged over.

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This means nothing for a few reasons, the primary of which is that the US has (for now) decided not to regulate the Internet, and the US generally doesn't care what the UN thinks or wants.
   
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“Some of the proposals that could clearly have consequences address the high cost of mobile roaming, taxation of calls, issues associated with the routing of calls, cybersecurity and combating spam,” Handley told FoxNews.com. “A major concern is with any attempt to make the International Telecommunication Regulations prescriptive and force regulation.”


Soooo... the proposals are mainly about trying to limit spam, improve handling of routing and improving roaming internet prices?



As long as they don't try to restrict internet content or make it easier for governments to censor their people, I'm fine with it. Talking about basic infrastructure and handling problem issues like spam and ridiculous roaming internet pricing, which need to be discussed and solutions worked on internationally, is not a major concern. If I see them trying to implement content censorship, or even try to restrict internet trade, then there's a major problem, but for the moment, I'm not going to panic.

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That may be the craziest thing I've ever heard. I mean fething seriously, I know the UN as this nefarious one-world government thing that is taking over the planet is a big thing to a certain American mindset, but come on, reality has to come in at some point.

Seriously, you don't get to have threads about the UN taking over the world next to threads about how the UN are a bunch of spineless nobodies who can't stop dictators torturing their own people... and pretend you're doing anything but just making up stupid stuff to get outraged over.


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 azazel the cat wrote:
This means nothing for a few reasons, the primary of which is that the US has (for now) decided not to regulate the Internet, and the US generally doesn't care what the UN thinks or wants.


Eeyup now if only the rest of the world would follow our example we could get some prime real estate in NYC back

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Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long


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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
This means nothing for a few reasons, the primary of which is that the US has (for now) decided not to regulate the Internet, and the US generally doesn't care what the UN thinks or wants.


Eeyup now if only the rest of the world would follow our example we could get some prime real estate in NYC back



The US, like every country, uses the UN to put forward it's own policy preferences. Being the biggest gorilla going around, the US has had a lot more success in this than any other country.

That there exists in the US a noisy fringe element that likes to pretend 'you can't tell me what to do' is some kind of astute foreign policy strategy doesn't change any of that.

Seriously, a lot of things in the world exist because of international agreements. The internet is just another one.

I wonder if, back when UN committees were being set up on satellite protocols to stop them smashing into each other, or onto plane routes to stop them smashing into each other... there were people saying 'fight this to the end, we can't have the UN telling us what to do!'


I wonder if, as WWII ground to an end and Roosevelt was manouvering to set up the UN he envisioned this kind of crazy coming from his own country?

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I'm all for international cooperation I just see the UN in it's present format as a complete cluster feth in dire need of a nuke'n boot.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I'm all for international cooperation I just see the UN in it's present format as a complete cluster feth in dire need of a nuke'n boot.


Uh huh. And exactly what stucture would work better, by your reckoning?

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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Well first we hang all the politicians... err hang them out to dry that is. The World Health Organization does excellent work because it's primarily composed of by international experts in their respective fields working together, with minimal interference from the general assembly besides a budget, do that across multiple fields then they (the experts) can take recommendations to their individual nations. You satellite example's a good one, we're gonna have a problem with Space Junk in Earth orbit here in the near future, how the hell do we deal with the that? Well here's a room full of guys from various space agencies world wide to suggest the best course of action.

Cut the gak and let's get some actual work done instead of endless pontificating from the same useless blowhards that prevent any one from getting anything done world wide.

Then again I'm the type of person who thinks calling someone a politician is an insult of a most egregious nature and considers anyone in such a field a waste of food and oxygen.

Do I realize there needs to be some politics involved in everything, especially internationally? Yes, sadly. But the general assembly should be the side show, not the main stage. Vote on the budget for the people who do useful things and shut up for the rest of the year. If you sit in the corner and be a good boy general assembly, you can have a juice box and hold up traffic with your diplomatic marked limos later.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Well first we hang all the politicians... err hang them out to dry that is. The World Health Organization does excellent work because it's primarily composed of by international experts in their respective fields working together, with minimal interference from the general assembly besides a budget, do that across multiple fields then they (the experts) can take recommendations to their individual nations. You satellite example's a good one, we're gonna have a problem with Space Junk in Earth orbit here in the near future, how the hell do we deal with the that? Well here's a room full of guys from various space agencies world wide to suggest the best course of action.

Cut the gak and let's get some actual work done instead of endless pontificating from the same useless blowhards that prevent any one from getting anything done world wide.

Then again I'm the type of person who thinks calling someone a politician is an insult of a most egregious nature and considers anyone in such a field a waste of food and oxygen.

Do I realize there needs to be some politics involved in everything, especially internationally? Yes, sadly. But the general assembly should be the side show, not the main stage. Vote on the budget for the people who do useful things and shut up for the rest of the year. If you sit in the corner and be a good boy general assembly, you can have a juice box and hold up traffic with your diplomatic marked limos later.


+1, I agree with this completely

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Maddermax wrote:
“Some of the proposals that could clearly have consequences address the high cost of mobile roaming, taxation of calls, issues associated with the routing of calls, cybersecurity and combating spam,” Handley told FoxNews.com. “A major concern is with any attempt to make the International Telecommunication Regulations prescriptive and force regulation.”


Soooo... the proposals are mainly about trying to limit spam, improve handling of routing and improving roaming internet prices?

I'm sticking my neck out here, talking about things I only have a passing understanding of, but lets address these:

a) limit spam
Short of tracking down the spammers and breaking their kneecaps (which is almost impossible) there's no way to limit spam without gravely affecting the way things work. There's actually been a (satirical) standard issue form that someone made up that covers every last potential "spam solution" that has been recommended up until this point. See here.

b) improve handling of routing
I'm genuinely unsure of what a political body thinks they can do to "improve handling of routing of calls". What does this have to do with transferring regulation of the internet to the UN? I mean, there's still people out there on POTS phone systems, I assume. Not everyone has an IP phone, including businesses. How does that actually work?

c) improving roaming internet prices
Well, we've already seen how cheap and cost-efficient the UN made international phone calls. With that kind of track record, there's no reason we should be concerned, right?


As long as they don't try to restrict internet content or make it easier for governments to censor their people, I'm fine with it. Talking about basic infrastructure and handling problem issues like spam and ridiculous roaming internet pricing, which need to be discussed and solutions worked on internationally, is not a major concern. If I see them trying to implement content censorship, or even try to restrict internet trade, then there's a major problem, but for the moment, I'm not going to panic.


Oooooh, well, they're not going to admit to any of that bad stuff up front, right?

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One thing the internet may give us if better regulated: Far fewer viruses, spyware, and tracking cookies

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
One thing the internet may give us if better regulated: Far fewer viruses, spyware, and tracking cookies


How? What mechanism do they have that isn't already in place to deal with those things?

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Laws that prevent corporate entities from creating and placing them as they often do.

Granted, the vast majority of all malware isn't really all that mallicious. It's just annoying as

EDIT: Regulations for online credit and money transers would also help with online theft as many sites don't give a for the security of their data.

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 whembly wrote:
 ENOZONE wrote:
And the sheer stupidity of them even attempting it....

Oh... they'll try...

And we'll say "NO".


Why do you think we'll say no?

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Well first we hang all the politicians... err hang them out to dry that is. The World Health Organization does excellent work because it's primarily composed of by international experts in their respective fields working together, with minimal interference from the general assembly besides a budget, do that across multiple fields then they (the experts) can take recommendations to their individual nations. You satellite example's a good one, we're gonna have a problem with Space Junk in Earth orbit here in the near future, how the hell do we deal with the that? Well here's a room full of guys from various space agencies world wide to suggest the best course of action.

Cut the gak and let's get some actual work done instead of endless pontificating from the same useless blowhards that prevent any one from getting anything done world wide.

Then again I'm the type of person who thinks calling someone a politician is an insult of a most egregious nature and considers anyone in such a field a waste of food and oxygen.

Do I realize there needs to be some politics involved in everything, especially internationally? Yes, sadly. But the general assembly should be the side show, not the main stage. Vote on the budget for the people who do useful things and shut up for the rest of the year. If you sit in the corner and be a good boy general assembly, you can have a juice box and hold up traffic with your diplomatic marked limos later.


That's a really good answer to my question. My hat is off to you, good sir.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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 sebster wrote:
 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Well first we hang all the politicians... err hang them out to dry that is. The World Health Organization does excellent work because it's primarily composed of by international experts in their respective fields working together, with minimal interference from the general assembly besides a budget, do that across multiple fields then they (the experts) can take recommendations to their individual nations. You satellite example's a good one, we're gonna have a problem with Space Junk in Earth orbit here in the near future, how the hell do we deal with the that? Well here's a room full of guys from various space agencies world wide to suggest the best course of action.

Cut the gak and let's get some actual work done instead of endless pontificating from the same useless blowhards that prevent any one from getting anything done world wide.

Then again I'm the type of person who thinks calling someone a politician is an insult of a most egregious nature and considers anyone in such a field a waste of food and oxygen.

Do I realize there needs to be some politics involved in everything, especially internationally? Yes, sadly. But the general assembly should be the side show, not the main stage. Vote on the budget for the people who do useful things and shut up for the rest of the year. If you sit in the corner and be a good boy general assembly, you can have a juice box and hold up traffic with your diplomatic marked limos later.


That's a really good answer to my question. My hat is off to you, good sir.


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 Cheesecat wrote:
I hope you're being sarcastic.


No it isn't, recognition of the good work achieved by multiple UN bodies, like WHO, while at the same time recognising these groups achieve their good work away from the General Assembly is a really good summary of the UN. At the same recognising the generally ineffectual and often just plain incoherent nature of politics in the General Assembly is a pretty sensible summation.

I know Kalashnikov Marine called out all politicians, and while I would disagree with him there, given we are talking about the UN, and therefore UN politician in particular, and that I agree with him on UN politicians, challenging that would have been nitpicking.

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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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