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hi guys

im starting an elysian army based around vet squads to support my DW/RW. I plan to include 3 special weapons in each squad, but i dont know what to give the others. How many shotguns vs how many lasguns. The lasguns seem better to me but i could be very wrong. also i only have 6 lasguns per squad and 11 shotguns for some reason. At the moment im thinking

seargent
lasguns x6 (one with demo charge)
Special wepaons x3

does that sound resonable?

Thanks in advance

I would usually put all lasguns unless you're trying to assault (which I wouldn't ever do with a Vet squad).

The main reason is that Shotguns do not benefit from FRFSRF, a trade off that I do not consider worth it for the ability to assault with a Str 3 T3 WS3 A1 model.

EDIT:
As far as the loadout, that's usually ok if they're in a chimera / vendetta / otherwise mechanized. Heavy weapons are good if they are on foot, so they can stop for a turn and make use of that BS4 with something REALLY nasty like a lascannon.

Are you using the Elysian list, or just Elysian models with the IG codex. If you're using the FW list, give serious thought to the special one-shot grenade launchers, as a barrage of STR 6 shots can do a lot of damage and veteran squads often just get one shot before they die anyway.

Other than that, you've got it right. 3x melta or 3x plasma, demolitions if you have points, and maybe an AC or LC if you're using the IG codex (Elysians get garbage heavy weapon choices) and think the unit might be stationary long enough to use them. The only other upgrade worth considering is dual plasma pistols on the sergeant, which effectively gives you 4x plasma guns for only a 5 point increase over a real 4th plasma gun.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The main reason is that Shotguns do not benefit from FRFSRF, a trade off that I do not consider worth it for the ability to assault with a Str 3 T3 WS3 A1 model.

Of course I can't imagine any remotely plausible scenario where you give FRFSRF to a veteran squad instead of BID or FOMT, so you might as well give them shotguns for the rare case when you want to assault instead of the nonexistent case where you want to use FRFSRF.

 Peregrine wrote:

Of course I can't imagine any remotely plausible scenario where you give FRFSRF to a veteran squad instead of BID or FOMT, so you might as well give them shotguns for the rare case when you want to assault instead of the nonexistent case where you want to use FRFSRF.

Terminators (or anything really) deepstriking nearby is usually the case over here. Sometimes it's used against hordes combined with Focus Fire when some of the further away models are out of cover.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Terminators (or anything really) deepstriking nearby is usually the case over here. Sometimes it's used against hordes combined with Focus Fire when some of the further away models are out of cover.

Why aren't you giving FRFSRF to a combined squad from a platoon? Or giving FOMT to ensure that your plasma and demo charge don't waste wounds by overkilling the few you can focus fire on? In all the games I've played with an all-veteran list I've never been in a situation where I'd even consider using FRFSRF. On the other hand I have been in situations where my shotguns on a melta squad allowed me to charge and finish off the last survivor of a unit.

ok thanks guys. ill stick will all lasguns i think, maybe one or two shotguns in one squad. An irrevelant question but I have some space marine meltas and plasmas and i wanted to know can i put them on my elysians without them looking really odd?

 Peregrine wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Terminators (or anything really) deepstriking nearby is usually the case over here. Sometimes it's used against hordes combined with Focus Fire when some of the further away models are out of cover.

Why aren't you giving FRFSRF to a combined squad from a platoon? Or giving FOMT to ensure that your plasma and demo charge don't waste wounds by overkilling the few you can focus fire on? In all the games I've played with an all-veteran list I've never been in a situation where I'd even consider using FRFSRF. On the other hand I have been in situations where my shotguns on a melta squad allowed me to charge and finish off the last survivor of a unit.

Ok, ok. So you like shotguns. I guess deepstriking is more common around here - I usually find nasty units (such as Terminators or BA assault marines) up in my grill, usually in the open (because people are overly afraid of terrain, I guess) from deepstriking.

To each his own.

 bobtheoverlord wrote:
ok thanks guys. ill stick will all lasguns i think, maybe one or two shotguns in one squad. An irrevelant question but I have some space marine meltas and plasmas and i wanted to know can i put them on my elysians without them looking really odd?

All my plasma guns are taken from space marines. They look fine. The meltas I tent to make myself using this thread. The new plasma guns look cool on there too.

Now where to get GW shotguns...

Also shot guns are pretty cool considering you can take demolitions. I've fluffed my melta shots so many times that running in with around 10 meltabombs to try and kill an MC isn't a bad tactic. Those shot-guns give you a chance at another wound which lasguns wouldn't.

I'm actually pro-shotgun on vets.

 Ailaros wrote:
I'm actually pro-shotgun on vets.

I feel like a lot of things in that thread have changed, including not being able to assault out of vehicles at all and the reduction in range due to moving with Rapid Fire weapons, which no longer applies.

 bobtheoverlord wrote:
ok thanks guys. ill stick will all lasguns i think, maybe one or two shotguns in one squad. An irrevelant question but I have some space marine meltas and plasmas and i wanted to know can i put them on my elysians without them looking really odd?

Shotguns are really an all-or-nothing option, so don't dilute your squads by taking one or two. When outfitting your squads, try to imagine what role that they're going to fill on the battlefield, and then ask yourself which is more valuable: the ability to fire their weapons and then assault a target, or the ability to fire a limited volume of shots at 24" instead of 12"? Answer that, and you'll know whether you want Shotguns or Lasguns on your squad(s).