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Made in ca
Dangerous Duet






So, In preparation for christmas I'm doing a bunch of list that need to be OP before finally choosing one and buy it. What do you think of these lists ?

Retribution of Scyrah
25/25
Dawnlord Vyros (*6pts)
* Phoenix (10pts)
Dawnguard Sentinels (Leader and 9 Grunts) (9pts)
* Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard (2pts)
House Shyeel Battle Mages (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Stormfall Archers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (5pts)


Khador
25/25
The Butcher of Khardov (*6pts)
* Destroyer (9pts)
Man-o-war Bombardiers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (11pts)
Widowmakers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (4pts)
Winter Guard Rifle Corps (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Widowmaker Marksman (2pts)

Trollblood
25/25
Borka Kegslayer (*5pts)
* Storm Troll (5pts)
* Dire Troll Mauler (9pts)
Krielstone Bearer and 3 Stone Scribes (3pts)
Trollkin Champions (Leader and 4 Grunts) (10pts)
* Skaldi Bonehammer (3pts)

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/11/11 19:23:55


 
   
Made in gb
Bane Lord Tartar Sauce





Oxford, Great Britain

Why the second unit of sentinals? Without the UA to grant vengenace their threat is greatly reduced. The other issue is that you still have two points for jacks. Yes, the griffon has reach and is good for activating flank on Vyros but it is a light jack that is very easy to take out.

What I would do is remove the griffon and the second unit of sentinels and put in a Pheonix and a unit of stormfall archers. Archers are there to force people to have to come to you, pheonix is very hard to take down at range and is a powerful heavy to take out close formations of infantry or activate flank a bit more reliably.
   
Made in ca
Dangerous Duet






So something like

25/25
Dawnlord Vyros (*6pts)
* Phoenix (10pts)
Dawnguard Sentinels (Leader and 9 Grunts) (9pts)
* Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard (2pts)
House Shyeel Battle Mages (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Stormfall Archers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (5pts)

This put aside, let's look at the following 3 lists

Khador
25/25
The Butcher of Khardov (*6pts)
* Juggernaut (7pts)
Man-o-war Demolition Corps (Leader and 4 Grunts) (9pts)
Man-o-war Shocktroopers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (9pts)
Widowmakers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (4pts)
Widowmaker Marksman (2pts)

Circle
25/25
Baldur the Stonesoul (*5pts)
* Woldguardian (9pts)
Warpborn Skinwalkers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Warpborn Skinwalkers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
Wolflord Morraig (5pts)

Trollblood
25/25
Borka Kegslayer (*5pts)
* Storm Troll (5pts)
* Dire Troll Mauler (9pts)
Krielstone Bearer and 3 Stone Scribes (3pts)
Trollkin Champions (Leader and 4 Grunts) (10pts)
* Skaldi Bonehammer (3pts)

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/11/11 02:17:43


 
   
Made in gb
Bane Lord Tartar Sauce





Oxford, Great Britain

How much hordes have you played? I ask because a few of the hordes lists you have produced are light on the fury side of things. The general rule of thumb is that you have 1.5x the fury points of the caster. So Carver with one war hog ain't going to be enough. Nor baldur with a woldguardian. Borka is going to be ok with a mauler and storm troll to provide fury because of the keg carrier.

The butcher list is ok, slightly too slow for my tastes but perfectly capable.
   
Made in ca
Dangerous Duet






You have a good point there. Let's take them out. I'll keep the Scyrah, Khador and Trollblood list. Oh and I edited the Khador list to be able to more ranged efficient.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/11/11 19:24:43


 
   
Made in us
Hellacious Havoc




I'll throw in my comments on the Trollblood list.

Personally, I don't really like the Storm Troll. It's not very accurate, short ranged without an Impaler to back it up, and doesn't take a hit any better than the other troll lights (i.e. poorly). Electro Leap is OK as a spammable animus, but not that great. For 5 points, I'd consider a Bouncer instead, to give Borka some protection as he moves up the field trying to keep the Mauler in his small control area.

Other than that, I don't own Champions yet, but Borka seems like the trollkin to run them with.

 Necroshea wrote:
You - You there, wolf heathen! I long for combat!
Wolf heathen - I accept your challenge, but only on my terms! 250% points for me!
You - Ha! You've activated my trap card! Allied army! Come forth to assist!
Friend - Sup
Wolf Heathen - An equal point match?! This is not acceptable! Tau friend! Form up on me!

And then some guy throws a manta at the table and promptly breaks it in half sending figures and terrain everywhere.
 
   
 
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