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these came up in a game today so im wondering how this works.

first, if a unit with chrono cryptek in it has that cryptek go down, but not removed - his counter is still there, can the unit still utilize the chrono? (obviously not after that crptek fails his EL check)

next, if a unit of bikes, charges they get hammer of wrath at (init 10) if they charge a unit of necrons that has a mind shackle equiped model, mindshackles go off before blows, so before init 10. if the mindshackle check is failed, how does the affected biker attack? does he use his hammer of wrath attack, or his normal attacks? are all his attacks treated as hammer of wrath?

 DarthSpader wrote:

these came up in a game today so im wondering how this works.

first, if a unit with chrono cryptek in it has that cryptek go down, but not removed - his counter is still there, can the unit still utilize the chrono? (obviously not after that crptek fails his EL check)

next, if a unit of bikes, charges they get hammer of wrath at (init 10) if they charge a unit of necrons that has a mind shackle equiped model, mindshackles go off before blows, so before init 10. if the mindshackle check is failed, how does the affected biker attack? does he use his hammer of wrath attack, or his normal attacks? are all his attacks treated as hammer of wrath?

To the first - The cryptek is considered dead for all intents and purposes as a token can not make use of wargear save for the Necron lord res orb as it directly effects the Reanimation Prot for that phase and has been faq'd.

To the second - Because hammer of wrath is in the fight sub phase, after the moves are made and "before blows are struck" he would be affected. as well it states instead of attacking normally the user attacks his allies when it is his turn to strike. My interpretation is that the hammer of wrath ability is nulled and he strikes at his allies, at his INIT, as MSS comes into play before blows are struck and prevents said model from attacking the necron unit.

To the second - Because hammer of wrath is in the fight sub phase, after the moves are made and "before blows are struck" he would be affected. as well it states instead of attacking normally the user attacks his allies when it is his turn to strike. My interpretation is that the hammer of wrath ability is nulled and he strikes at his allies, at his INIT, as MSS comes into play before blows are struck and prevents said model from attacking the necron unit.

the MSS and HoW happen at the same time (before blows are struck), so wouldn't the active player decide which goes first? or just a roll-off to determine it? I've sen this question multiple times but never definitely answered.

Mss happens before blows. HOW is at init 10.

MSS is start of fight subphjase, before ANY init steps.

If you fail, you lose HoW and your normal attacks - this is because you are told "instead of attacking normally..." and your normal attacks include HoW the turn you charge.

Cool. Thought as much. Thanks guys.