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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/11 21:37:00
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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http://www.ripten.com/2012/11/10/thq-defaults-on-50-million-line-of-credit/
In a week that has been nothing but bad news for THQ, I’m sure that investors thought they could take refuge in a weekend devoid of trading. Unfortunately, in a notification of late filing of form 10-Q sent to the SEC, another bombshell has dropped. THQ has received notice from lender Wells Fargo of default on their $50,000,000 revolving line of credit. $21 million of that has been drawn according to the second quarter results released earlier this week, which sent the publisher’s stock into a tailspin.
Form 10-Q is a mandatory document that must be submitted to the SEC every quarter. It reports financial performance and relevant disclosures that impact how investors value the company. The notice of late filing is filled with information we already know, like the uDraw tablet failure and, more recently, the delays of three key titles slated for early 2013. It appears that the filing was strategically delayed to ensure release after the close of the financial markets on Friday, giving investors the weekend to cool down from the bad news.
This section from the filing says it all,
In connection with the Company’s Credit Agreement with Wells Fargo Capital Finance, LLC (“Wells Fargo”), which was amended pursuant to Amendment Number One dated July 23, 2012 (collectively, as so amended, the “Credit Facility”), on November 7, 2012, the Company was informed by Wells Fargo that loan availability on the Credit Facility was less than 12.5% of the maximum revolver amount on one or more occasions as of and after the fiscal quarter ended September 30, 2012, and accordingly, one or more events of default have occurred under the terms of the Credit Facility, including the failure to comply with financial covenants for the fiscal quarter ended September 30, 2012.
The document goes on to indicate that THQ is in negotiations to repair the credit line. Were it to disappear, the publisher’s cash flow would be severely impacted. Additionally, they don’t have the funds to repay the credit right now. No other lender is going to bail them out, either. Were this to happen, bankruptcy seems like the only reasonable outcome.
I had the opportunity to speak with analyst Kevin Dent regarding his interpretation of this turn of events.
“Wells Fargo has THQ in a corner. They can either show leniency and grant an extension or call in the loan. Given that THQ is already in technical default, it’s unlikely they’ll be able to negotiate for more money or time,” Dent told me. “It’s like a bicycle playing chicken with a truck. It’s not going to end well for the guy on the bicycle.”
This week already saw an enormous drop in the stock value, with a 50% drop evidenced between close of business on Monday November 5, 2012, and the following day. The stock managed to stay above $1.00, but according to Dent,
“I expect material news by Friday of next week.”
As for the future, it is unlikely that a competitor will purchase any of the franchises that have been the foundation of THQ’s survival to this point. There is a lot of value in the Saints Row franchise, for instance. EA, or another publisher, will simply swoop in if bankruptcy is declared and pick up the IP for relatively little. It’s the same thing that WB did when Midway went out of business.
One thing that Dent shared was about how licensed arrangements typically work. In many cases, should a publisher declare bankruptcy, the developers involved will be entitled to any funds paid and retain possession of the code already developed. If this is the case here, should a publisher wish to continue the work on South Park: The Stick of Truth or use the existing framework for a new WWE title, they’ll not only need to negotiate with the license-holders, but the developers as well.
This tale seems to be winding to a close. We can only hope that those employees that may be affected find work quickly and the titles we love end up in loving homes. If you are interested in the full filing, it can be downloaded here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 00:01:59
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Well that's probably going to be the third or fourth to the last nail in the coffin of THQ. They'll need a miracle. Maybe if they can get CoH out in time and it does really well but I'm skeptical the game has that much selling power.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 00:09:02
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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So... no Saints Row 4: The Apology?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 01:10:56
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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So they're going down like Cavedog did, a good company with good IPs going down because of financial mismanagement?
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 01:26:01
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Nigel Stillman
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Well this is unfortunate but not really unexpected. They've been in dire straights for awhile now
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 01:42:20
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Melissia wrote:So they're going down like Cavedog did, a good company with good IPs going down because of financial mismanagement?
Do we know is mismanagement? I mean, I can see THQ's death as the simple result of bleeding money over the past decade by never being able to make quite enough money from its products.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 01:52:45
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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From what I've read about THQ it generally speaking wasn't mismanagement, it was just a streak of underperforming games. Not outright bad games, just a string of things that never quite sold well enough.
For example, I think the big thing that would supposed to have save them was Darksiders 2 being a smash hit, instead, like a lot of other games before (and some drawing tablet thingy), it was 'ok but not groundbreaking.'
It is basically a foregone conclusion now I think.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 01:56:37
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Nigel Stillman
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They did take quite a hit on the uDraw.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 01:58:44
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Compel wrote:From what I've read about THQ it generally speaking wasn't mismanagement, it was just a streak of underperforming games. Not outright bad games, just a string of things that never quite sold well enough.
For example, I think the big thing that would supposed to have save them was Darksiders 2 being a smash hit, instead, like a lot of other games before (and some drawing tablet thingy), it was 'ok but not groundbreaking.'
It is basically a foregone conclusion now I think.
Also Red Faction was supposed to be another big one - Red Faction Armageddon was supposed to be a smash followup to Red Faction Guerrilla, and was going to have a TV show and everything. When the game bombed that all went out the door. It's a shame; THQ has some excellent IPs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 01:59:40
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Compel wrote:From what I've read about THQ it generally speaking wasn't mismanagement, it was just a streak of underperforming games. Not outright bad games, just a string of things that never quite sold well enough.
For example, I think the big thing that would supposed to have save them was Darksiders 2 being a smash hit, instead, like a lot of other games before (and some drawing tablet thingy), it was 'ok but not groundbreaking.'
It is basically a foregone conclusion now I think.
Yeah. I haven't been following this but its my general understanding of THQ's situation. For all the games they make, they just never manage to make quite enough.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 02:36:40
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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LordofHats wrote:
Do we know is mismanagement? I mean, I can see THQ's death as the simple result of bleeding money over the past decade by never being able to make quite enough money from its products.
http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/1/3560318/homefront-kaos-studios-thq
Read this article. Its quite long but it speaks volumes, indirectly at least, about why THQ is now in serious trouble. The Udraw debacle really didn't help either.
I think they expanded too fast, they tried to be one of the big boys but they ended up with a string of dubious games and it looks very much like they will soon be dead.
Hopefully CoH2's new publisher will drop its price
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 02:37:57
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Oh, if another publisher takes up CoH it'll probably be consolized and kept at the same price but have less features.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 02:38:17
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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I very much doubt it.
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 02:49:57
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Palindrome wrote:Read this article. Its quite long but it speaks volumes, indirectly at least, about why THQ is now in serious trouble. The Udraw debacle really didn't help either.
I think they expanded too fast, they tried to be one of the big boys but they ended up with a string of dubious games and it looks very much like they will soon be dead.
Yeah, that's been my assumption. I wouldn't call that mismanagement, just a poor choice. They tried to edge in on the mega publishers but have nothing that completes with the likes of Halo, Assassin's Creed, or Mass Effect.
Their most successful franchise I think is Saint's Row which is just a poor man's GTA.
Hopefully CoH2's new publisher will drop its price 
Doubt it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 03:01:47
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Saint's row a poor man's GTA? Hell no. Saint's Row is metric fethtonnes better than the most recent GTAs, which are running more on name recognition than actual quality at this point... I didn't think the latest Red Faction game was all that great myself, mind you. Certainly it really should have followed more on the formula of Guerilla than on generic sci-fi movies.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 03:17:18
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Infiltrating Hawwa'
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While it's saddening, I look back at the latest iterations of my somewhat favorite franchises Darksiders and saints row.
Darksiders 2 was terribly boring, and Saints Row 3 was... well simply put it was a disaster. They took everything good about sr2 and threw it out, and decided to micheal bay what was left, as well as making it LOUD AND CRAZY BECAUSE MORE IS BETTER.
I actually cared for the characters in sr1 and sr2. I had a pretty good idea of how sr3 was going to turn out once they killed off Gat, and the gut feeling proved sadly true.
I wonder what directions DoW will take now. Hopefully we can get a firestorm mod for DoW2 some day.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 03:21:35
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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I rather liked saint's row 3, myself. Darksiders 2 really could have used some work though.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 03:23:58
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Guess if this ever happened to GW, the villagers would be lighting the torches?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 03:26:15
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Melissia wrote:Saint's row a poor man's GTA?
Hell no. Saint's Row is metric fethtonnes better than the most recent GTAs, which are running more on name recognition than actual quality at this point...
I didn't think the latest Red Faction game was all that great myself, mind you. Certainly it really should have followed more on the formula of Guerilla than on generic sci-fi movies.
I mean in a financial sense. GTA is established and a power house. Saints Row meanwhile just isn't packing the same punch. Red Faction is a good example though a decent series of games that just doesn't have enough selling power.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 03:26:25
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Nigel Stillman
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What do you mean? Automatically Appended Next Post: LordofHats wrote: Melissia wrote:Saint's row a poor man's GTA?
Hell no. Saint's Row is metric fethtonnes better than the most recent GTAs, which are running more on name recognition than actual quality at this point...
I didn't think the latest Red Faction game was all that great myself, mind you. Certainly it really should have followed more on the formula of Guerilla than on generic sci-fi movies.
I mean in a financial sense. GTA is established and a power house. Saints Row meanwhile just isn't packing the same punch. Red Faction is a good example though a decent series of games that just doesn't have enough selling power.
Which is something that being owned by a larger publisher could solve. More money for advertising and greater resources to spend on the game itself.
Really I don't think we need to worry about our favorite franchies much, they are all pretty well established IP's and so would be a safe bet for any big publisher.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 03:32:02
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Does this mean the rights for 40k games could pass to another company or what?
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 03:35:31
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Infiltrating Hawwa'
Through the looking glass
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Melissia wrote:I rather liked saint's row 3, myself. Darksiders 2 really could have used some work though.
I just couldn't get over how they killed off Gat. That and nobody even cared about it. He'd been around since Julius, he practically helped create the saints. Aisha got a funeral, but not Gat.
That and if you become an arse and abandon your crew at the end you get the proper ending. Just...no.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 03:39:24
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Nigel Stillman
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Testify wrote:Does this mean the rights for 40k games could pass to another company or what? I'm not entirely sure as I'm no lawyer and I have no idea what kind of contract GW made with THQ. I would think that another company could buy the rights to the DoW IP and make as many games as they darn well want to. I don't think GW could pull the rights back. Again I'm not a lawyer but I would point to Marvel comics as an example in this case. They sold off the movie rights to a number of there IP's to several different studios. Then they got bought by Disney. And while they would love to have the movie rights to some of those IP's back, they can't. This is why spiderman will most likely never appear in an avengers movie, because they don't own the movie rights to spiderman anymore. Again I'm not a lawyer, but I have a very loud and deep seated opinion that I will profess to be correct even in the face of overwelming evidence against it. So I might make a good lawyer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 04:12:26
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Compel wrote:From what I've read about THQ it generally speaking wasn't mismanagement, it was just a streak of underperforming games. Not outright bad games, just a string of things that never quite sold well enough.
They should'a done more warhammer stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 04:23:00
Subject: THQ defaults on $50 million line of credit
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Hallowed Canoness
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I'm still astonished by how badly the last Red Faction game was. Who was the genious that had the idea to turn an awesome open-world sandbox game into a tunnel shooter? This bomb was well-deserved.
Still sad to see them go down like this. I had tons of fun with the latest Saint's Row, and was looking forward to both the expansion as well as the 4th installment that was already announced.
Compared to GTA ... I think that franchise went downhill after San Andreas (which was still awesome). It may be a big name now, but that doesn't make the newer games any better.
Let's hope someone at least picks up on the Saint's Row IP and, if possible, the team behind it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 04:27:08
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It had its good points, but it was more "one step forwards, two steps back" from Saints Row 2 than a sequel deserves to be. Things like losing the ability to replay favoured missions and losing a lot of character customisation options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 04:44:25
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Hallowed Canoness
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Granted, customisation - one of Saint's Row's main selling points in comparison to GTA - could have used some more love. Not to mention expanding the multiplayer to more than 2 people.
Still, loads of joy, both the missions themselves as well as the random stuff you do when playing with a friend. Ethical!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 10:59:33
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Oberstleutnant
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Ma55ter_fett wrote:
I'm not entirely sure as I'm no lawyer and I have no idea what kind of contract GW made with THQ.
Wasn't the contract with Relic?
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 11:03:57
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Well the main reason they got into trouble is because some idiot over at THQ thought it was a great idea to sink all their money into a peripheral. That drawing tablet thing for kiddy games. Obviously it completely bombed and since then it's all been down hill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/12 12:48:27
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Saint's Row 2 is awesome. Driving around in a sports car and massacring passers-by to Panic! At The Disco is my idea of fun
Sad to see a good games developer go under though. There are far too few of them in this day and age.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics. |
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