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First off let me apologize if this question has been posted before, I did a search but had no luck.

A couple Chaos HQs (Hurton and Ahriman) get Master of Deception which according to page 29 Codex Chaos allows me to "Nominate up to 1d3 Infantry units in your army before deployment. Those units gain the Infiltrate special rule."

Chaos Terminators are Infantry and can take a Chaos Land Raider as a dedicated transport. (pg 97. Codex Chaos)

The infiltrate USR (pg 38 BRB) states "if a unit with Infiltrate is deployed inside a Dedicated Transport, they may Infiltrate or Outflank along with their Transport, but if they do, they must deploy/move onto the table embarked within it.

Does that mean I can infiltrate a Chaos Land Raider?

Yes, but only if the Land Raider was that Terminator squads dedicated transport.

Remember you can't assault on the first player turn of the game. So they won't be able to assault that first turn unless you went second. Which gives the enemy time to react to the LR full of Terminators.

Still will be amusing as hell.

"You were hiding WHAT in the bushes??!?!"

Completely legal, but as stated if you're hoping to go for an alpha strike, you'll probably want to go second, as a first turn assault isn't really possible (maximum charge of 24" total isn't likely to have the unit in range, or the charge distance met). Second turn charge, though, from a land-raider thats hiding behind a building, blocking line of sight so you can be 12" away...well that's just downright mean. Sure, it'd have to be a pretty good sized building to block LOS, but hey, it's still possible...haha.

I have absolutely no concept of current CSM rules.

That said, I'm immediately reminded of Allies' Mirage Tanks from Red Alert 2. As such, this is nothing short of a <rooster> move.

So let me say this in advance if you can:

"<rooster> move, tvt4186. <rooster> move."

Note to admin: apparently the word starting with "D" and rhyming with "sick" is not censored. I took the liberty of providing my own censor for fear of repercussions.

Its not a D*** move. Not as much as it would have been in 5th when you could get first turn assaults.

Does an HQ that has infiltrate confer it to the squad he joins? But a squad that has infitrate not confer it to independant characters? If this is correct you nominate a killing machine HQ with infiltrate put him with termies in a land raider and watch your opponent salt.

 Goat wrote:
Does an HQ that has infiltrate confer it to the squad he joins? But a squad that has infitrate not confer it to independant characters? If this is correct you nominate a killing machine HQ with infiltrate put him with termies in a land raider and watch your opponent salt.

As I understand it currently only one model in a squad has to have infiltrate for every one to get it, so it should work either way.

Nope, an Inc without infiltrate doesn't get to infiltrate just because the unit does.

but because it's a dedicated transport it does....yay ductile rules!

The exact wording says to nominate an infantry unit. If the unit has an I.C. with it, that does kind of complicate the matter. I would assume the whole unit, I.C. included, would gain infiltrate, but I haven't been able to find a clear-cut yes\no on the subject.

Anyone?

An IC without infiltrate cannot join a unit with infiltrate during deployment. If you give the unit infiltrate the IC cannot join it, other way round is fine though.

Hmmmm, I wonder if you can join the IC to the unit prior to declaring they have Infiltrate. And then at the time of the declaration the IC is a member of the unit and gains Infiltrate.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Still will be amusing as hell.

"You were hiding WHAT in the bushes??!?!"

well it is black, and it could have been at night....

You just give the IC that you want to join the unit infiltrate, he then joins the unit. Problem solved.

 Leth wrote:
You just give the IC that you want to join the unit infiltrate, he then joins the unit. Problem solved.

Oddly enough this seems accurate.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Still will be amusing as hell.

"You were hiding WHAT in the bushes??!?!"

Not as great as creed hiding a baneblade behind a mailbox

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 Leth wrote:
You just give the IC that you want to join the unit infiltrate, he then joins the unit. Problem solved.

Oddly enough this seems accurate.

Agreed. Seems like a semantic loophole to accomplish the same thing, but I.C.'s do count as units in their own right. Too bad it says infantry...MAN would it be fun to cast infiltrate on a Daemon Prince

Drager wrote:
An IC without infiltrate cannot join a unit with infiltrate during deployment. If you give the unit infiltrate the IC cannot join it, other way round is fine though.

A IC is not restricted in joining the unit it just says he cannot infiltrate with them he could still however outflank

You can give the IC Infiltrate, which then confers it to the unit, which then confers it to their Dedicated Transport. However you'd have to declare all of this BEFORE deployment of course.

I can now envision a chess match with Huron and Creed sitting glaring opposite each other... and Ahriman sneaking up behind Creed too.

Ub3rb3n wrote:

Drager wrote:
An IC without infiltrate cannot join a unit with infiltrate during deployment. If you give the unit infiltrate the IC cannot join it, other way round is fine though.

A IC is not restricted in joining the unit it just says he cannot infiltrate with them he could still however outflank

Definetly is restricted if the IC does not have infiltrate and the unit does. This was hashed out when the edition was new. Would love it if you were right though as tyen I would have a use for mandrakes.