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So how have spawn units (spammed or solo) been treating you. Either playing with them or against?

Is running a choppy Juggy Lord with a unit really that good? Maxed out numbers in units or MSU?

Spawn rush, scary or meh?

Haven't run them yet, but I've heard nothing but good things from those that have.

And since they don't have armor, I think that running larger units with a Juggerlord would work better than the MSU.

Run six with mon and their brutally effective

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:
Run six with mon and their brutally effective

why 6? That is 2 FA slots. I would rather take 5 and something else.

 Exergy wrote:

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:
Run six with mon and their brutally effective

why 6? That is 2 FA slots. I would rather take 5 and something else.

So you like to use only one unit?

Spawn are pretty awesome.
Go with 5 and MoN for 15 T6 wounds.
Either add a lord or an umarked level 3 sorcerer rolling on Biomancy for trying to get Endurance or Telepathy trying to get Invisibility.

Horrible and scary.

Or max out on them running 15, 45 T6 wounds

Or even add other fast allied units for the ultimate rush.

 L0rdF1end wrote:
Spawn are pretty awesome.

Or max out on them running 15, 45 T6 wounds

This is how I'm leaning, but I feel like I would be missing out greatly on the Helldrake. I guess it defaults to meta. Can 15 Spawn be viable in an all comers list?

 Byte wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:
Spawn are pretty awesome.

Or max out on them running 15, 45 T6 wounds

This is how I'm leaning, but I feel like I would be missing out greatly on the Helldrake. I guess it defaults to meta. Can 15 Spawn be viable in an all comers list?

15 spawn can be viable. You just have to have something else. The spawn march up and pin the enemy for some other heavy hitter to come up and finish them off. they can work.

Me though I am running 10 bikes, 5 spawn, and either a turkey or raptorcide


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 Byte wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:
Run six with mon and their brutally effective

why 6? That is 2 FA slots. I would rather take 5 and something else.

So you like to use only one unit?

if I was going for 2 units they would have 5 models each. The FA section should be maxed in the new chaos codex. Only raptorcide or bikecide should be min units.

What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?
I think that's the question you should be asking and the answer is not a lot.
Either a crap ton of shooting or poisen are the possible problems.

540 points for 15. Thats a third of my list.
what else would you add..

Squadron of three vendattas and maybe some sorcerers rest on troops maybe...

Wraiths and night sythes...

Screamer and flamers...

Its all rather good right now and we have access to it.

 L0rdF1end wrote:
What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?
I think that's the question you should be asking and the answer is not a lot.
Either a crap ton of shooting or poisen are the possible problems.

540 points for 15. Thats a third of my list.
what else would you add..

Squadron of three vendattas and maybe some sorcerers rest on troops maybe...

Wraiths and night sythes...

Screamer and flamers...

Its all rather good right now and we have access to it.

You make a strong case!

 L0rdF1end wrote:
What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?
I think that's the question you should be asking and the answer is not a lot.
Either a crap ton of shooting or poisen are the possible problems.

540 points for 15. Thats a third of my list.
what else would you add..

Squadron of three vendattas and maybe some sorcerers rest on troops maybe...

Wraiths and night sythes...

Screamer and flamers...

Its all rather good right now and we have access to it.

A single dreadnought will tie the spawn up all game. The dread is much cheaper than the spawn. So 540 points of your army are tied up by 315 of his, and yours are slowly losing every turn.

Spawn can't really do anything but die to a lot of things. No armor, no shooting, just wounds, toughness, and regular attacks. No rending, no power weapon attacks. No way to get through armor.

Honestly can't see using spawn when bikers and heldrakes are so good. My fast attack slots are 2 units of three bikers with dual melta and a heldrake. I couldn't be happier with how they perform.

 L0rdF1end wrote:
Spawn are pretty awesome.
Go with 5 and MoN for 15 T6 wounds.
Either add a lord or an umarked level 3 sorcerer rolling on Biomancy for trying to get Endurance or Telepathy trying to get Invisibility.

Never thought about the abilities Biomancy could give them. Good call.

Kevlar wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:
What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?
I think that's the question you should be asking and the answer is not a lot.
Either a crap ton of shooting or poisen are the possible problems.

540 points for 15. Thats a third of my list.
what else would you add..

Squadron of three vendattas and maybe some sorcerers rest on troops maybe...

Wraiths and night sythes...

Screamer and flamers...

Its all rather good right now and we have access to it.

A single dreadnought will tie the spawn up all game. The dread is much cheaper than the spawn. So 540 points of your army are tied up by 315 of his, and yours are slowly losing every turn.

Spawn can't really do anything but die to a lot of things. No armor, no shooting, just wounds, toughness, and regular attacks. No rending, no power weapon attacks. No way to get through armor.

Honestly can't see using spawn when bikers and heldrakes are so good. My fast attack slots are 2 units of three bikers with dual melta and a heldrake. I couldn't be happier with how they perform.

Yep, forgot about the dread, he's a problem indeed and would have to be dealt with pretty quick by other elements in your list. I personally haven't faced a dread for quite a while but you would need to account for that possibility.
This is where perhaps allies help to fill in the gaps.

 L0rdF1end wrote:

Kevlar wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:
What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?
I think that's the question you should be asking and the answer is not a lot.
Either a crap ton of shooting or poisen are the possible problems.

540 points for 15. Thats a third of my list.
what else would you add..

Squadron of three vendattas and maybe some sorcerers rest on troops maybe...

Wraiths and night sythes...

Screamer and flamers...

Its all rather good right now and we have access to it.

A single dreadnought will tie the spawn up all game. The dread is much cheaper than the spawn. So 540 points of your army are tied up by 315 of his, and yours are slowly losing every turn.

Spawn can't really do anything but die to a lot of things. No armor, no shooting, just wounds, toughness, and regular attacks. No rending, no power weapon attacks. No way to get through armor.

Honestly can't see using spawn when bikers and heldrakes are so good. My fast attack slots are 2 units of three bikers with dual melta and a heldrake. I couldn't be happier with how they perform.

Yep, forgot about the dread, he's a problem indeed and would have to be dealt with pretty quick by other elements in your list. I personally haven't faced a dread for quite a while but you would need to account for that possibility.
This is where perhaps allies help to fill in the gaps.

Always have the "Our weapons are useless option".

Fearless units cant use that option...

 L0rdF1end wrote:


Yep, forgot about the dread, he's a problem indeed and would have to be dealt with pretty quick by other elements in your list. I personally haven't faced a dread for quite a while but you would need to account for that possibility.
This is where perhaps allies help to fill in the gaps.

Well not just regular dreads. Armored sentinels, the new chaos fiends. Anything they can't hurt. Furiosos and ironclads still seem popular for loyalists.

Seriously - a dread? How will he catch spawn? They are beasts. And if you have a lord he can take out the dread with a metabomb or pk. Poison hurts them (venoms), wraiths hurt them. There are units out there that can take them out. But it will require a lot of focused attention. Nothing slow should ever reach them. I run five with MoN and a MoN lord on a bike. I also run screamers and flamers and a heldrake. At 1500. It is doable. And screamers and flamers die faster than spawn.

 Tarrasq wrote:
Fearless units cant use that option...

Ahhh... indeed.

 L0rdF1end wrote:
What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?

Grey Knight force weapons will take care of them very quickly...

 Hedgehog wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:
What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?

Grey Knight force weapons will take care of them very quickly...

hmm? Grey knights don't have a ton of attacks, not high strength, and Spawn are Daemons, thus immune to instant death. That, my friend, is what I think you are missing. If i am mistaken, please correct me.

(also, sorry if i seem snarly, I don't mean to be i Promise!)

Grey Knight force weapons will take care of them very quickly...

The issue they have is actually wounding the Spawn. A squad of 10 Strikes will hit roughly 6 times, and wound once against Nurgle Spawn. All in all, 1 dead Spawn with a psy test. Not really dominating.

 faheykeyes wrote:

 Hedgehog wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:
What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?

Grey Knight force weapons will take care of them very quickly...

hmm? Grey knights don't have a ton of attacks, not high strength, and Spawn are Daemons, thus immune to instant death. That, my friend, is what I think you are missing. If i am mistaken, please correct me.

(also, sorry if i seem snarly, I don't mean to be i Promise!)

You are mistaken. Spawn are not daemons, though they have fear and fearless. Also, only daemons from codex chaos daemons have immune to ID, the special rule in the main rulebook does not (they just cause fear, and have a 5+ invul).

What do people think about a small unit of 3 or so as a bodyguard for a jugg lord? Enough to get him into combat, where he should wreck face all by himself.

 McGibs wrote:

 faheykeyes wrote:

 Hedgehog wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:
What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?

Grey Knight force weapons will take care of them very quickly...

hmm? Grey knights don't have a ton of attacks, not high strength, and Spawn are Daemons, thus immune to instant death. That, my friend, is what I think you are missing. If i am mistaken, please correct me.

(also, sorry if i seem snarly, I don't mean to be i Promise!)

You are mistaken. Spawn are not daemons, though they have fear and fearless. Also, only daemons from codex chaos daemons have immune to ID, the special rule in the main rulebook does not (they just cause fear, and have a 5+ invul).

What do people think about a small unit of 3 or so as a bodyguard for a jugg lord? Enough to get him into combat, where he should wreck face all by himself.

That seems good!
Not only does it give the lords 9 t6 wounds to shred through, it also gives him a few extra attacks in close combat. If the juggy lord is a main part of your force, its a wonderful idea. Otherwise, its an awful lot of points.

I've had huge success with 4 of them with a Jugg Lord. I DO feel sad that I cant give them mark of Nurgle, which is where they really shine, but they still make amazing meat shields, due to their plentiful wounds. You might even consider giving them the dirt cheap Mark of Khorne, simply for furious charge. You'll pretty much always be getting the charge due to your superior speed, and that +1 Str can make a difference.

With their speed, the lack of armor is very rarely an issue too. You really should never be caught out of cover in the first place, unless you get an unlucky consolidation roll. And you can always run them with a bunch of Nurgle bikes on the front giving them cover.

The other nice thing about the Spawn and bodyguards is that they handle the one thing the lord has trouble with, hordes. That ork boy mob of 30 wont be overwhelming your lord any time soon, what with all those possibly rerollable or massive number of attacks. They ARE pretty vulnerable to the counter-attack, unfortunately, but with toughness 5 they generally dont really worry too much about most horde armies. Nids do tend to kill them quite a bit though. You still have a lot of buffer wounds, thankfully.

DrDuckman wrote:
I've had huge success with 4 of them with a Jugg Lord. I DO feel sad that I cant give them mark of Nurgle, which is where they really shine, but they still make amazing meat shields, due to their plentiful wounds. You might even consider giving them the dirt cheap Mark of Khorne, simply for furious charge. You'll pretty much always be getting the charge due to your superior speed, and that +1 Str can make a difference.

What do you do to stop people just focus firing out your lord? Bikes grant a cover save when you move. Spawn do not get that benefit.

Thats why you use a juggernaut lord, and not a bike!

 faheykeyes wrote:

 Hedgehog wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:
What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?

Grey Knight force weapons will take care of them very quickly...

hmm? Grey knights don't have a ton of attacks, not high strength, and Spawn are Daemons, thus immune to instant death. That, my friend, is what I think you are missing. If i am mistaken, please correct me.

(also, sorry if i seem snarly, I don't mean to be i Promise!)

Yea; Spawn from Codex Chaos Space Marines are not Immune to ID. Hell I'm pretty sure they're not even Daemons.

This is how I plan on running spawns.

5 of them with a Mark of Nurgle accompanied by an unmarked lvl3 sorcerer, on bike, all telepathy.

Obvious want is invisibility. Gives them a 4+ cover save. If you happen to go through cover/difficult terrain this will jump to 2+.

For all intent and purposes your sorceror is using majority toughness against shooting and same when in duels (a faq might need to clear this, but for now he's still considered part of the unit even tho he's only considered in base contact with the challengee/er). Makes for a very hard to kill sorceror against anything going at same initiative and can easily be force weaponed out of existence.

DrDuckman wrote:
I've had huge success with 4 of them with a Jugg Lord. I DO feel sad that I cant give them mark of Nurgle, which is where they really shine, but they still make amazing meat shields, due to their plentiful wounds. You might even consider giving them the dirt cheap Mark of Khorne, simply for furious charge. You'll pretty much always be getting the charge due to your superior speed, and that +1 Str can make a difference.

MoK gives rage, something spawn already have. It does not give FC, only the icon can take that and spawn cannot take icons.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 faheykeyes wrote:

 Hedgehog wrote:

 L0rdF1end wrote:
What out there could deal with 45 T6 wounds?

Grey Knight force weapons will take care of them very quickly...

hmm? Grey knights don't have a ton of attacks, not high strength, and Spawn are Daemons, thus immune to instant death. That, my friend, is what I think you are missing. If i am mistaken, please correct me.

(also, sorry if i seem snarly, I don't mean to be i Promise!)

Yea; Spawn from Codex Chaos Space Marines are not Immune to ID. Hell I'm pretty sure they're not even Daemons.

This - spawn aren't daemons (no 5+ invulnerable save) and even if they were the Daemon rule doesn't protect against instant death... This means that effectively every wounding hit from Grey knights results in a dead spawn (assuming the Ld10 psy test is passed - not too much of a problem for them). I think they also have access to psy powers that can improve strength, though they might need it cast on them by another unit or character?