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Hi all,

I wasn't sure where to post this, so I'll apologise in advance if I've done so in the wrong section.

I wanted to ask for some advice regarding a conversion project I'm undertaking. I am currently doing a Void-dragon worshipping AdMech force, using GK-Necron allied models/codex as counts as.

Now, what does this have to do with Warmachine/PP models? It's quite simple... The Cryx models fit into the scheme of my army like a glove!

e.g. The Cryx Bane Khights/Thralls would work well (in unison with GK terminator parts) in a conversion to represent Admech Praetorians; the Cryx ghost raiders (or rather their "legs") would serve as perfect "legs" for a skitarri model; Any of the Cryx Warcasters would serve as an oh so suitable template for an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor who has developed a Necron fetish; The ideas for conversion are rather grand! etc....

Therefore, I would really really appreciate if anyone can give me ANY advice regarding these models. i.e.:
1) would the model size scale be proportionate? e.g. would the legs of a Cryx Ghost Raiders unit be scaled correctly to fit a "guardsmen" sized torso? If not, would it then be appropriate for a marine?
Cryx Ghost Raiders:


2) How about Bane Thralls, or Khador Man-O-War units? They look like they would be scaled accordingly to a terminator sized model...


3) The Warjacks from almost any race can be easily be used to represent/convert into a Legio Cybernetica unit... How big are they? Would they be on the same scale as a dreadnought? Or a terminator?

4) And lastly, from extensive browsing on the PP website, some models explicitly state that they are plastic, some say "white metal". others do not specifiy. I would obviously prefer them to be plastic. Can anyone help me in this regard? I will list the units I am interested in, and if possible, can anyone please tell me if they are plastic?

a) Ghost Raiders:
b) Bane Thralls:http://privateerpress.com/files/products/34091_BaneThralls2011WEB.jpg" border="0" />
c) Battle Mages
d) Exemplar Errants:

^ I absolutely love the look of the errants, if they are "human sized", they would make for interesting henchman (of any variety!), if they are larger, they can definately be used as "marine sized" units in my admech army. So i wuold greatly appreciate if anyone could tell me what "size/scale" they are!!

Again, I thank any replies, and apologise if I have posted in the wrong forum!

I think all of the models you have posted are scaled to fitGW standard models, however, they are made of usually, Metal or resin, so take care on the converting, also be prepared for any pinning you may have to undertake.

*shines the Aduro signal* We need your necryx expertise.

1)I haven't seen a guardsman in ages so I couldn't tell you how they compare to ghost raiders

2)Bane thralls are almost as large as terminators but not really as bulky. they are on smaller bases. Men-o-war are on terminator sized bases but are actually a bit larger than terminators. They are bulky dudes.

3)Warjacks are about as tall as a dread, maybe a bit taller for some, but not as wide or bulky. They are way larger than terminators.

4)The knights exemplar are plastic, everything else you listed is metal. The exemplar are indeed human sized and would match up well with a marine. It should be noted that PP use a different kind of plastic than you are used to and plastic glue will not work. Oh, there also used to be metal exemplars that only recently went out of production, if you get a set make sure you know which ones you are getting.

Bonus) PP have a parts store where you can order individual metal bits like GW used to do. If you are interested in just certain bodies or weapons I highly recommend checking it out.

What kind of sick twisted freak would mix Necron and Cryx parts?! That's... That's just Wrong man!
/Sarcasm

I'll see about side by side pictures when I'm home later. Hopefully I remember... But for now;

Banes are not gonna match terminator parts very well. While they have big shoulders, their torso is smaller than power armor. I've got plans in mind to mix in some Necron parts with my Banes (more than I already have) and the Necron chests are larger still than Bane chests. Man O Wars on the other hands are probably a bit bigger than terminators. I'll have to check that one more closely.

Guardsmen should fit on Ghost Raiders. GW's Heroic scale vs the skinny undead nature of the raiders may make the guardsmen a bit fatter, but that should be easily blended over with some sculpting work due to the nature of the raider legs.

Cryx Helljacks are definitely bigger than a terminator. Easily twice the size. Don't believe they're quite as large as a Dreadnaught, and definitely not as bulky as one.

Everything on the PP site is metal unless it specifically says otherwise, but for the specific models you pictured; Raiders are metal. Bane Thralls are metal with resin shoulder pads. (Bane Knights are all metal currently). Battle Mages are metal. Menoth Knights are plastic. Note that PP's plastic is different from GW's plastic. Two most notable differences is its more susceptible to heat warping and having thin bits like swords flex and it will not work with plastic specific glues, you need to use regular super glue on it.

Thank you so much for the replies! you have answered my questions perfectly!

Although I am bummed out to find that most of the models are metal...

And also the fact that the bane thralls/knights would not be compatible with terminators. However, that is not much of a worry, as I can do all the things I planned, but on PA GK.

I guess the great news is that I can pretty much pick any warjack to count as a dreadnought/Ad Mech Legio Cybernetica, and can use any warcaster to represent an Inquisitor/Librarian.

Oh, and one more thing, can you please tell me where I can get the PP bits? their parts store that you (Dais) referred to.

Again, many thanks for the replies

neonfunk wrote:
Thank you so much for the replies! you have answered my questions perfectly!

Although I am bummed out to find that most of the models are metal...

And also the fact that the bane thralls/knights would not be compatible with terminators. However, that is not much of a worry, as I can do all the things I planned, but on PA GK.

I guess the great news is that I can pretty much pick any warjack to count as a dreadnought/Ad Mech Legio Cybernetica, and can use any warcaster to represent an Inquisitor/Librarian.

Oh, and one more thing, can you please tell me where I can get the PP bits? their parts store that you (Dais) referred to.

Again, many thanks for the replies

http://store.privateerpress.com/parts.aspx

neonfunk wrote:
Thank you so much for the replies! you have answered my questions perfectly!

Although I am bummed out to find that most of the models are metal...

And also the fact that the bane thralls/knights would not be compatible with terminators. However, that is not much of a worry, as I can do all the things I planned, but on PA GK.

I guess the great news is that I can pretty much pick any warjack to count as a dreadnought/Ad Mech Legio Cybernetica, and can use any warcaster to represent an Inquisitor/Librarian.

Oh, and one more thing, can you please tell me where I can get the PP bits? their parts store that you (Dais) referred to.

Again, many thanks for the replies

In the PP store, they sell thousands of pieces and spare bitz, its like a pick and mix

Man-o-wars are a bit larger then Terminators. Their torso's are larger and wider, they are taller, and their legs are thinner.

Warmachine is slightly larger scale then 40k. And of course the aestetic is vastly different.

You could still use Termies with Man-O-Wars, even though its not perfect, some modelling would sort that out

Literally ANY warcaster from the Cryx range, would be a viable model (even on it's own) as an Radical Ordo Xenos necronish inquisitor. Are the warcaster models' size scales comparable to a guardsman? or at biggest, a marine?

I've grown particularly fond of these 2:



^So yeah, if anyone owns these, and knows the scale, that would be great if you can enlighten me! or even better, happen to find a link to a forum or photo with side to side comparisons!

Also, if I intend to do a Dreadnought or Dreadknight counts as, which Warjack would you guys recommend (not just in terms of aesthetic/theme, but also size/scale comparability and ease of conversion i.e. plastic or metal)?

Really appreciate all the assistance I;m getting! thank you so much

The scale of most cryx warcasters like those are terminator size, on 30-40mm bases, they would work subliming in a renegade inqisiition army

neonfunk wrote:
Literally ANY warcaster from the Cryx range, would be a viable model (even on it's own) as an Radical Ordo Xenos necronish inquisitor. Are the warcaster models' size scales comparable to a guardsman? or at biggest, a marine?

In general the bodies on any small-based models are going to be fairly on part with that scale. However the floaty bits and weapons will tend to feel a bit big.

I've grown particularly fond of these 2:
http://privateerpress.com/files/products/cryx/warcasters/lich-lord-asphyxious.png\\
http://privateerpress.com/files/products/cryx/warcasters/goreshade-the-cursed.png\

^So yeah, if anyone owns these, and knows the scale, that would be great if you can enlighten me! or even better, happen to find a link to a forum or photo with side to side comparisons!

See above statement. I've got a friend with some IG and Cryx, but I won't be able to take any pictures of his stuff until saturday. Which I'll do, unless someone sneaks in with some photos before me (he probably will). They're not grossly out of scale with anything in Warhammer though. Asphexious will feel a big big just because of his elevation on the base though.

Also, if I intend to do a Dreadnought or Dreadknight counts as, which Warjack would you guys recommend (not just in terms of aesthetic/theme, but also size/scale comparability and ease of conversion i.e. plastic or metal)?

Really appreciate all the assistance I;m getting! thank you so much

Any of the Heavy Warjacks will be sized roughly like dreadnought, especially the plastics (the older metals may feel runty). In terms of theme I can't think of much, even the most ponderous of Warjacks are somewhat sleekier affairs than a Dread with their charmingly boxy bodies and waddling legs. The Khador line is probably going to get you the closest as they have the bulkiest designs of all the 'Jacks. Karchev: http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/mkiiKarchev also has the "Human Head Sticking out" some dreadnoughts go with. I guess Terminus https://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/mkiiTerminus sans wings, could get the job done with the general vibe of the rest of the army.

As for a Dreadknight, you'd really only be looking at the Colossals, of which I don't think any really have the same feel.

 Chongara wrote:

neonfunk wrote:
Literally ANY warcaster from the Cryx range, would be a viable model (even on it's own) as an Radical Ordo Xenos necronish inquisitor. Are the warcaster models' size scales comparable to a guardsman? or at biggest, a marine?

In general the bodies on any small-based models are going to be fairly on part with that scale. However the floaty bits and weapons will tend to feel a bit big.

I've grown particularly fond of these 2:
http://privateerpress.com/files/products/cryx/warcasters/lich-lord-asphyxious.png\\
http://privateerpress.com/files/products/cryx/warcasters/goreshade-the-cursed.png\

^So yeah, if anyone owns these, and knows the scale, that would be great if you can enlighten me! or even better, happen to find a link to a forum or photo with side to side comparisons!

See above statement. I've got a friend with some IG and Cryx, but I won't be able to take any pictures of his stuff until saturday. Which I'll do, unless someone sneaks in with some photos before me (he probably will). They're not grossly out of scale with anything in Warhammer though. Asphexious will feel a big big just because of his elevation on the base though.

Also, if I intend to do a Dreadnought or Dreadknight counts as, which Warjack would you guys recommend (not just in terms of aesthetic/theme, but also size/scale comparability and ease of conversion i.e. plastic or metal)?

Really appreciate all the assistance I;m getting! thank you so much

Any of the Heavy Warjacks will be sized roughly like dreadnought, especially the plastics (the older metals may feel runty). In terms of theme I can't think of much, even the most ponderous of Warjacks are somewhat sleekier affairs than a Dread with their charmingly boxy bodies and waddling legs. The Khador line is probably going to get you the closest as they have the bulkiest designs of all the 'Jacks. Karchev: http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/mkiiKarchev also has the "Human Head Sticking out" some dreadnoughts go with. I guess Terminus https://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/mkiiTerminus sans wings, could get the job done with the general vibe of the rest of the army.

As for a Dreadknight, you'd really only be looking at the Colossals, of which I don't think any really have the same feel.

I feel KB a dreadkhight with a collosal would cost loads and may not work, i think the colosalls are bigger than dreadknights

 YELLOWBLADES wrote:

 Chongara wrote:

neonfunk wrote:
Literally ANY warcaster from the Cryx range, would be a viable model (even on it's own) as an Radical Ordo Xenos necronish inquisitor. Are the warcaster models' size scales comparable to a guardsman? or at biggest, a marine?

In general the bodies on any small-based models are going to be fairly on part with that scale. However the floaty bits and weapons will tend to feel a bit big.

I've grown particularly fond of these 2:
http://privateerpress.com/files/products/cryx/warcasters/lich-lord-asphyxious.png\\
http://privateerpress.com/files/products/cryx/warcasters/goreshade-the-cursed.png\

^So yeah, if anyone owns these, and knows the scale, that would be great if you can enlighten me! or even better, happen to find a link to a forum or photo with side to side comparisons!

See above statement. I've got a friend with some IG and Cryx, but I won't be able to take any pictures of his stuff until saturday. Which I'll do, unless someone sneaks in with some photos before me (he probably will). They're not grossly out of scale with anything in Warhammer though. Asphexious will feel a big big just because of his elevation on the base though.

Also, if I intend to do a Dreadnought or Dreadknight counts as, which Warjack would you guys recommend (not just in terms of aesthetic/theme, but also size/scale comparability and ease of conversion i.e. plastic or metal)?

Really appreciate all the assistance I;m getting! thank you so much

Any of the Heavy Warjacks will be sized roughly like dreadnought, especially the plastics (the older metals may feel runty). In terms of theme I can't think of much, even the most ponderous of Warjacks are somewhat sleekier affairs than a Dread with their charmingly boxy bodies and waddling legs. The Khador line is probably going to get you the closest as they have the bulkiest designs of all the 'Jacks. Karchev: http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/mkiiKarchev also has the "Human Head Sticking out" some dreadnoughts go with. I guess Terminus https://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/mkiiTerminus sans wings, could get the job done with the general vibe of the rest of the army.

As for a Dreadknight, you'd really only be looking at the Colossals, of which I don't think any really have the same feel.

I feel KB a dreadkhight with a collosal would cost loads and may not work, i think the colosalls are bigger than dreadknights

Yes, quite abit bigger.

 Grey Templar wrote:

Yes, quite abit bigger.

Wow, after actually going to look, yeah that's a bigger difference than I would have thought from memory. Excuse me, it's been a while since I went poking around any GW stuff. I'm not sure there anything quite fits at the size, at least not that has legs.

I would say to scratch-build the legs but most PP is top heavy, maybe try some other gaming systems

 YELLOWBLADES wrote:
The scale of most cryx warcasters like those are terminator size, on 30-40mm bases, they would work subliming in a renegade inqisiition army

Gaspy is quite a bit larger than a terminator. Probably closer to a dreadnought, at least in height. It's a small miracle he fits on that medium base.

terminator (plastic) vs. Bane Thrall vs. Space marine. GW stuff is from the Blackreach box from 5th edition.


Plastic Slayer chassis vs metal Dreadnaught.


Hopefully this will give you some ideas of proportion as you look thru Warmachine photos to gauge size. If I get a chance to do other comparisons I will.


<EDIT> Added Stormwall picture.

Stormwall compared to a mechanithrall (which is WM "human" size). Colossal is nearly 6" high. Base is the size of a CD.

Wow! thank you so much guys, and esp for the pictures, i really appreciate the troubles you have gone too!

I have placed an order for the Lich lord asphixous... the staff alone is to die for... if "necron/void dragon/"corrupt" ad mech" had to be embodied in a weapon, that halberd/staff would be it... Let alone the model!

My only "regret" is that the Cryx Bane thralls/knights are metal! The size scale is perfect for a terminator-like model, which can serve as an Ad mech Protector/Praetorian... I have browsed the PP online store, and it is difficult to know what is metal or not... are there ANY models in the Cryx range, that are in the same style as the Bane thralls/knights that are PLASTIC (for ease of conversion of course)? It doesnt have to necessarily be Cryx, it can be another race, as long as it conforms (to a degree) to my theme?

Also, would you guys know which models would be to the scale of a guardsmen/human? To obviously serve as regular sized skittari troops?

Again, much appreciated!

neonfunk wrote:
Wow! thank you so much guys, and esp for the pictures, i really appreciate the troubles you have gone too!

I have placed an order for the Lich lord asphixous... the staff alone is to die for... if "necron/void dragon/"corrupt" ad mech" had to be embodied in a weapon, that halberd/staff would be it... Let alone the model!

My only "regret" is that the Cryx Bane thralls/knights are metal! The size scale is perfect for a terminator-like model, which can serve as an Ad mech Protector/Praetorian... I have browsed the PP online store, and it is difficult to know what is metal or not... are there ANY models in the Cryx range, that are in the same style as the Bane thralls/knights that are PLASTIC (for ease of conversion of course)? It doesnt have to necessarily be Cryx, it can be another race, as long as it conforms (to a degree) to my theme?

Also, would you guys know which models would be to the scale of a guardsmen/human? To obviously serve as regular sized skittari troops?

Again, much appreciated!

I would try bile thralls, they look perfect, and i think the size is right too

Only plastic models in the Cryx line are warjacks.

neonfunk wrote:
Wow! thank you so much guys, and esp for the pictures, i really appreciate the troubles you have gone too!

I have placed an order for the Lich lord asphixous... the staff alone is to die for... if "necron/void dragon/"corrupt" ad mech" had to be embodied in a weapon, that halberd/staff would be it... Let alone the model!

My only "regret" is that the Cryx Bane thralls/knights are metal! The size scale is perfect for a terminator-like model, which can serve as an Ad mech Protector/Praetorian... I have browsed the PP online store, and it is difficult to know what is metal or not... are there ANY models in the Cryx range, that are in the same style as the Bane thralls/knights that are PLASTIC (for ease of conversion of course)? It doesnt have to necessarily be Cryx, it can be another race, as long as it conforms (to a degree) to my theme?

Also, would you guys know which models would be to the scale of a guardsmen/human? To obviously serve as regular sized skittari troops?

Again, much appreciated!

If you go through the Gallery, at the bottom of each individual entry it will have product information. Including the materials.

 Laughing Man wrote:
Only plastic models in the Cryx line are warjacks.

And pDenny!

 Mordekiem wrote:

 Laughing Man wrote:
Only plastic models in the Cryx line are warjacks.

And pDenny!

Isn't the new Lich Lord asyphious Plastic?

Nope, still metal. Also, you got Lich Lord Asphyxious? Ick. The new Iron Lich Asphyxious and Asphyxious The Hellbringer are Much better looking IMHO.

^ I dunno, I mainly just got it for the halberd...

I'm really disappointed that NONE of the Cryx units are plastic/resin (correct me if im wrong!).... The Bane Knights/Thralls would work a treat in my conversion(s)...

Thanks for the heads up on the "product description" section on the gallery of the warmachine website... It just seemed a bit vague, as some models are clearly designated "metal" or "plastic", and some do not specify... In the cases where it doesnt specify, should I assume that it is METAL?

Also, are these "listings" on the website up to date? Are there any future releases (esp in the Cryx range) in PLASTIC?

Thanks guys!

The gallery is all up to date on current releases. And yes, if it does not specify, it's metal, not plastic. The only Cryx plastic are the Helljacks, Crab Jacks and Arc Node Bonejacks.

And nothing we know of coming soon that will be plastic. Banes are most likely not, thralls because they have been resculpted and knights because they have just released a 10 man box to replace the 6 man version.

 AduroT wrote:
Nope, still metal. Also, you got Lich Lord Asphyxious? Ick. The new Iron Lich Asphyxious and Asphyxious The Hellbringer are Much better looking IMHO.

Nope, but if i collected Cryx i would go for the lich lord asy. Model looks amazing