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hey all. I am in the process of making a custom chaos space marine army, a force of recent renegades from my custom fists of iron chapter.

Now i have a loyalist and chaos marine army, my question to you all is this. Would a squad of marines from a traitor chapter be allowed to fight alongside imperial forces if they proved that they were still loyal? (even though most of their chapter has gone to the dark side). Or would the Inquisition just purge the chapter as whole, regardless of how many stayed loyal.

Let me rephrase :

Would the organization that can burn a whole planet to the ground because they suspect a minor xenos/chaos infiltration be looking kindly on a bunch a self proclaimed "chaos tuned good" space marines?

Another one :
Would the organization that does not hesitate to execute whole regiments of its troops because thay have seen too much (deamons or even shiny knights!) be friendly with a warband of not-so-evil traitor marines?

To be fair, I think a radical inquisitor would team up with your guys, as long as it gets the job done, or as long as there is a bigger threat for them to team up against.

The most important thing is... the Inquisition isn't a very rational organization. It doesn't really have a "uniform" policy. And if it had, it wouldn't be able to apply it uniformly across the Galaxy.

What the Inquisition does or doesn't do is usually determined by the clout, disposition and resources of a given Inquisitor on the case.

The Inquisition has completely purged 100% loyal chapters because they talked snottily to a particular ill-humoured Inquisitor (Celestial Lions)

Inversely, the Inquisition ignored other chapters going to Chaos in large Numbers (e.g. Space Wolfs at the 'Wolf of Fenris' incident) and outright attacked, unprovoked, the Ecclesiarchy, Sisters of Battle and Inquisitors (again Space Wolves in the new Codex) because they don't want "Imperials" on their home planet.

Hell, the Inquisition even sanctioned a "loyalist" Space Marine Chapter made exclusively from Space Marines that have at a point been possessed by Daemons in the Exorcists.

Presumably, anything in between will go too. Go crazy. It's 40K.

Well these marines didn't turn.most of their chapter did, but about a squad or two stayed loyal, Im thinking of adding them to my loyalist army. they are seeking redemption.

Go for it, why not, the ][ was birthed from the loyal Death Guard so I don't see the problem.

Loyalists from a Space Marine-chapter has the opportunity to become Blackshields at Deathwatch as their redemption. I see no reason why that can't have happened for your Space Marines.

There would be an in-deep examination and if the various tests for corruption would be all negative and the leading Inquisitor is not an ultra-puritan they could go back to active duty.

Of course, I'm assuming they have passed the test, and the only way in as I see is through the Deathwatch as Blackshields.

The Imperium mostly goes for 'redemption via death in service to the Emperor'.

In many ways, the background for Dark Angels is precisely this story. Just on a slightly larger (Legion) scale.

This also seems to be true of several Badab Chapters: the Sons of Medusa, the Mantis Warriors, the Lamenters (kind of), and the Executioners.

 Manchu wrote:
This also seems to be true of several Badab Chapters: the Sons of Medusa, the Mantis Warriors, the Lamenters (kind of), and the Executioners.

There's a huge difference between the Badab War (of which Chaos played no part, until long afterwards) and the Astartes Chapters involved versus Chaos tainted Astartes.

Sure, the only Imperial forces that would work with fully-fledged CSM are other traitors (inlcuding Radical Inquisitors, IMO).

Okay cheers for the ideas and suggestions guys. So i think i will lean more towards adding more black shields to my deathwatch sternguard. And will probably just keep that loyalist squad for my imperial liberation crusade force. Cheers guys

Grey knights, the founding was made up of marines whos chapter had followed horus. yet they did not follow their brothers.

yeah that's true. I guess a squad could stay loyal and join the imperium in hunting down their way ward chapter.

If it was my chapter getting assistence from loyal CSM then I would keep it from the Inquistion. The less the Inquistion knows about your chapter the better. It doesn't really matter what the Inquistion thinks anyway, it's your chapter so you can do anything you want with it.

Sure, why not, although their original allegiance would probably be covered up.

The Inquisition is a fickle beast.

In The Emperor's Gift, an Inquisitor pursued PDF regiments in an attempt to destroy all knowledge of the Grey Knights, in case they *might* have glimpsed one. This resulted in a showdown with the Space Wolves that would have been extremely messy if events hadn't occurred to cut the final battle short.

Point is: this Inquisitor was willing to risk the wrath of large numbers of other marine chapters, and possible civil war, by punishing a sacrosanct 1st founding chapter instead of letting go of their stupid rules. Even portions of the Grey Knights ignored this Inquisitors call to arms against the Wolves. That in itself is quite telling.

On the other hand, several Inquisitors have been know to use daemonhosts, traitor marines and even xenos if it served their immediate purpose.

The "Inquisition" shouldn't be viewed as a single organization with definite rules of engagement. The rules they have are more like suggestions that each Inquisitor uses or ignores as they feel the situation warrants. There is certainly real infighting ( political and physical ) because of this which is usually decided by how powerful an individual becomes.

Quite frankly, I'd say the Inquisition is a double edged sword. It is one of the Imperium's greatest strengths and one of it's worst enemies.

So, do what you want. It's a fun universe where quite literally anything goes.... Well, except for allying with the Nids.

If a chapter were to jump to Chaos but some remain loyal then I see no reason why they would be allowed to redeem their chapter by hunting down the renegades and killing them. Also maybe like the dark angels they never told anybody about their part that went Chaos and hunts them in secret. Or maybe they are reneged but still want to save mankind in different way/dangerous way, its 40k blood with flow!

I just remembered, there was a situation with the blood ravens that is similar to what i am trying to do. The chapter was split by civil war, some siding with their renegade chapter master, some staying loyal and siding with Captain Angelos. I think i will do something along similar lines. Have like maybe a company or two that went to the dark side. The blood ravens weren't hunted down for their chapter civil war either.

exactly! The chapter would inform other Loyalists of the renegades, maybe ask for assistants or maybe try and keep it quite to preserve honor, either way it could work out

Yeah totally. It is only one loyalist squad i was going to add to my current marine chapter, but i can totally make it work fluffwise. (heck i have an Inquisitor who is secretly an agent of the alpha legion).

clively wrote:
It's a fun universe where quite literally anything goes.... Well, except for allying with the Nids.

Why not, we will always invite you guys along for dinner. But on a serious note, it is possible. Most times, they wind up apart of the Deathwatch, serving as a black shield, but I believe there are probably circumstances, even amongst the Dark Angels, where a traitor has willingly turned themselves into a loyalist chapter in order to seek forgiveness. They might get executed, or they might serve on permanent active duty until they die in order to seek forgiveness from the Emperor. With the Imperium of Man, anything is possible.

traitors or loyal, all will be hunted by their own chapter or warband, there is no need for inquisitorial judgement...only the strongest will preveil...remember Isstvan III

 Cpt. Iridon wrote:
traitors or loyal, all will be hunted by their own chapter or warband, there is no need for inquisitorial judgement...only the strongest will preveil...remember Isstvan III

Nobody remembers Istvan III!

It is too sad a moment... my dear Salamanders... My dear, dear Salamanders... Why couldn't it have been all of the Raven Guard?

While some might not turn traitor the stain of the brothers heresy would lead to sevear questions. Also the name of the previous chapter would have to be abolished.

The question is; if mainres would be accepted even after their brothers turned why do the DA hide the fact that so many of their brothers turned.

Because the Dark Angels are a proud Chapter.

 gmatthews wrote:
I just remembered, there was a situation with the blood ravens that is similar to what i am trying to do. The chapter was split by civil war, some siding with their renegade chapter master, some staying loyal and siding with Captain Angelos. I think i will do something along similar lines. Have like maybe a company or two that went to the dark side. The blood ravens weren't hunted down for their chapter civil war either.

In a more general sense, the entire Blood Ravens Chapter evolved from the Corvidae Brotherhood that was dispatched before the Battle of Prospero, so were not corralled into the Eye of Terror. They were probably mind-wiped and forged new liveries on their armor and tanks. Other than that, they are probably descendants of Loyalist Thousand Sons.

Yes it has happened. They where the basis of the grey knights actually. In a few of the horus heresy short stories you read about the creation of them and Garro actually recruits a loyalist black legion and a loyalist world eater with him for their creation.

and if that answer isnt good enough you could always look at the value of a space marine, so they would probably offer some sort of penance. probably through torture of course.