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A couple of quick questions about this rule. The first is what page is it on in the BRB? I'm starting to to think that I'm going crazy, since I know I read it once but have not been able to find it since.

The second is whether the rule applies to the end of the player turn or the end of the game turn? So for example, I can choose to start the game with no models on the table when playing C:SM by taking all of my units in drop pods. Note that with the Drop Pod Assault rule, half of my drop pods will arrive on MY first player turn. We roll to see who goes first, and I end up going second. Does this mean that I have to start the game with at least one unit on the table to avoid automatically loosing at the end of my opponent's first turn?

I can't cite a page number, but I know it is the end of the GAME turn. So, if you run out of units on your opponents turn, you'd better hope there's some reserves incoming!

RegalPhantom wrote:
A couple of quick questions about this rule. The first is what page is it on in the BRB? I'm starting to to think that I'm going crazy, since I know I read it once but have not been able to find it since.

The second is whether the rule applies to the end of the player turn or the end of the game turn? So for example, I can choose to start the game with no models on the table when playing C:SM by taking all of my units in drop pods. Note that with the Drop Pod Assault rule, half of my drop pods will arrive on MY first player turn. We roll to see who goes first, and I end up going second. Does this mean that I have to start the game with at least one unit on the table to avoid automatically loosing at the end of my opponent's first turn?

It is the end of the game turn that it applies. (edited)

IIRC it's also in the FAQ.

Q: If all of my units are either Flyers or embarked upon Flyers, will I
automatically lose the game as there are none of my models on the
gaming board at the end of Turn 1? (p122)
A: Yes.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
It is the end of the player turn that it applies.

IIRC it's also in the FAQ.

Q: If all of my units are either Flyers or embarked upon Flyers, will I
automatically lose the game as there are none of my models on the
gaming board at the end of Turn 1? (p122)
A: Yes.

No, it's the end of the game turn. There's no debate.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

RegalPhantom wrote:
A couple of quick questions about this rule. The first is what page is it on in the BRB? I'm starting to to think that I'm going crazy, since I know I read it once but have not been able to find it since.

The second is whether the rule applies to the end of the player turn or the end of the game turn? So for example, I can choose to start the game with no models on the table when playing C:SM by taking all of my units in drop pods. Note that with the Drop Pod Assault rule, half of my drop pods will arrive on MY first player turn. We roll to see who goes first, and I end up going second. Does this mean that I have to start the game with at least one unit on the table to avoid automatically loosing at the end of my opponent's first turn?

It is the end of the player turn that it applies.

IIRC it's also in the FAQ.

Q: If all of my units are either Flyers or embarked upon Flyers, will I
automatically lose the game as there are none of my models on the
gaming board at the end of Turn 1? (p122)
A: Yes.

That FAQ has nothing to do with player or game turn; the point was that flyers don't come on until turn 2 the earliest. Drop Pods are as limited.

It is indeed the game turn.

It's definitely game turn if not every army could win against chaos daemons just by going first

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

RegalPhantom wrote:
A couple of quick questions about this rule. The first is what page is it on in the BRB? I'm starting to to think that I'm going crazy, since I know I read it once but have not been able to find it since.

The second is whether the rule applies to the end of the player turn or the end of the game turn? So for example, I can choose to start the game with no models on the table when playing C:SM by taking all of my units in drop pods. Note that with the Drop Pod Assault rule, half of my drop pods will arrive on MY first player turn. We roll to see who goes first, and I end up going second. Does this mean that I have to start the game with at least one unit on the table to avoid automatically loosing at the end of my opponent's first turn?

It is the end of the game turn that it applies.

IIRC it's also in the FAQ.

Q: If all of my units are either Flyers or embarked upon Flyers, will I
automatically lose the game as there are none of my models on the
gaming board at the end of Turn 1? (p122)
A: Yes.

That FAQ has nothing to do with player or game turn; the point was that flyers don't come on until turn 2 the earliest. Drop Pods are as limited.

It is indeed the game turn.

no idea why I put player turn.




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rigeld2 wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
It is the end of the player turn that it applies.

IIRC it's also in the FAQ.

Q: If all of my units are either Flyers or embarked upon Flyers, will I
automatically lose the game as there are none of my models on the
gaming board at the end of Turn 1? (p122)
A: Yes.

No, it's the end of the game turn. There's no debate.

agreed. Not sure what was running through my mind at the time.

What you are looking for is Victory Conditions Page 122 left Column 1st graph.

Thanks. I probably skimmed over that page 20 times looking for a header with 'no units on table' or something like that. This closes the entire issue rather nicely.

Thank you again.