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2012/12/12 03:55:43
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Am I missing something, or are Servo-arms just "ignore armour saves" and not AP 2, therefore not getting the +1 on Damage Tables? I think I've looked at all the relevant spots in the BRB and the FAQ, and this seems to be correct.
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2012/12/12 03:59:24
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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 Lobukia wrote:Am I missing something, or are Servo-arms just "ignore armour saves" and not AP 2, therefore not getting the +1 on Damage Tables? I think I've looked at all the relevant spots in the BRB and the FAQ, and this seems to be correct.
That's correct. Unless there's a faq that I've missed.
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2012/12/12 06:44:19
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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I can't find anything that would have changed it.
It doesn't appear in the weapons appendix of the rulebook because it's wargear, and the FAQs I checked don't mention it.
Personally I'd allow it to be AP 2, but then I always had a soft spot for Techmarines.
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2012/12/12 07:01:09
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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 Drunkspleen wrote:I can't find anything that would have changed it.
It doesn't appear in the weapons appendix of the rulebook because it's wargear, and the FAQs I checked don't mention it.
Personally I'd allow it to be AP 2, but then I always had a soft spot for Techmarines.
Then would you allow Tyranid boneswords to be AP2 as well ? 
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2012/12/12 07:27:47
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Why? I'm not popping Land Raiders with warriors.
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2012/12/12 08:32:33
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Doesn't it say say somewhere that a servo harness gives you 2 powerfist attacks - in which case they woudl be Sx2 AP2?
Admittedly it's been a while since I read the SM Codex though.
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2012/12/12 11:10:35
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 Praxiss wrote:Doesn't it say say somewhere that a servo harness gives you 2 powerfist attacks - in which case they woudl be Sx2 AP2?
Admittedly it's been a while since I read the SM Codex though.
Nope. S8, ignores armour saves.
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2012/12/12 11:27:59
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Calm Celestian
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Fragile wrote: Drunkspleen wrote:I can't find anything that would have changed it.
It doesn't appear in the weapons appendix of the rulebook because it's wargear, and the FAQs I checked don't mention it.
Personally I'd allow it to be AP 2, but then I always had a soft spot for Techmarines.
Then would you allow Tyranid boneswords to be AP2 as well ?
Yes, as boneswords say they ignore armor saves just like the servo arm.
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2012/12/12 11:33:30
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Have neither of these been FAQ'd since 6th came out?
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2012/12/12 11:34:36
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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Could it be written somewhere that weapons that ignore armour have a standard AP...similar to all monstrous creatures regardless of weaponry
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2012/12/12 11:40:58
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:Could it be written somewhere that weapons that ignore armour have a standard AP...similar to all monstrous creatures regardless of weaponry
Quite the opposite:
Q: If a melee weapon ignores armour saves, such as a Tyranid bonesword or Captain Tycho’s Dead Man’s Hand, is it treated as an unusual power weapon and therefore AP3? (p61)
A: No – it ignores armour saves completely.
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2012/12/12 15:28:13
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Furious Raptor
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 grendel083 wrote:Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:Could it be written somewhere that weapons that ignore armour have a standard AP...similar to all monstrous creatures regardless of weaponry
Quite the opposite:
Q: If a melee weapon ignores armour saves, such as a Tyranid bonesword or Captain Tycho’s Dead Man’s Hand, is it treated as an unusual power weapon and therefore AP3? (p61)
A: No – it ignores armour saves completely.
There are a handful of weapons that simply ignore armor saves but are not AP2...I believe Eldrad is another example of this. Giving them AP2 would negate the need for this clarification and might make some characters a little too powerful. While one could house rule that any weapon that "ignores armor saves completely" is AP2, there are no rules that actually give them AP2.
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2012/12/15 05:19:49
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Calm Celestian
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I'd add it's worth noting that by making them ignore armor saves and not AP2 these weapons don't get the damage bonus on vehicles. A good for a bad y'know?
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My Sisters of Battle Thread
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2012/12/15 21:36:58
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Dakka Veteran
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Yup, which is why AP2 is always better than 'ignores armour saves'.
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2012/12/16 07:10:36
Subject: Servo-arms not AP 2 like PF
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Interesting to note; Black Templars servo arms (and harnesses) specify that the attacks are treated as a power fist.
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