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 Manchu wrote:
We know Ordo Hereticus did not appear until after the Age of Apostasy. Although the exact date of the founding of the GK is unknown, it had to be before the end of Malcador's life since he founded them. But what about the Deathwatch? Were there alien-hunting specialist Inquisitors in the meantime?

I believe that the Deathwatch was founded during the Heresy making it M31, and whilst the primarchs still lived I would imagine that the space marines formed the core of any anti-xenos fighting. Although that is admittedly a guess as I'm not familiar with the Inquistion.

Alpharius wrote:

 AustonT wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
We know Ordo Hereticus did not appear until after the Age of Apostasy. Although the exact date of the founding of the GK is unknown, it had to be before the end of Malcador's life since he founded them. But what about the Deathwatch? Were there alien-hunting specialist Inquisitors in the meantime?

I believe that the Deathwatch was founded during the Heresy making it M31, and whilst the primarchs still lived I would imagine that the space marines formed the core of any anti-xenos fighting. Although that is admittedly a guess as I'm not familiar with the Inquistion.

There's nothing that actually says this though, so... where are you getting your guess material from?

Index Astartes II P40
"Since the Dawn of the Imperium two brotherhoods of Space Marines have fought these foes and defeated them. They are the Deathwatch and the Grey Knights."

Manchu wrote:@AustonT: That's what I would have thought too but the Deathwatch core book apparently says the DW was founded much more recently (early M41 at the earliest).

Deathwatch: Know no Fear places the Deathwatch's arrival in Jericho Reach in M35 so that can't possibly be the case. Its on like page three. The IA article also says "thousands of years" so at the very earliest the Deathwatch Dates to M39 and like I said it's more likely it dates to M31.

Yeah, latest.

Wait what. Which part of the imperium "dawned" closer to M35 exactly?

They match my theory just fine. Older fluff was pretty intentionally vague. And the hard dates I got are A: not from GW and B: much newer. They do set an "at least" date which is good enough to disprove this nonsense that DW originated M31. The only way you'll get a hard date of origin will be the Matt Ward Ordos Xenos codex sure to come out sooner or later. Then we'll know.

 Manchu wrote:

jareddm wrote:
Complete and utter tripe.

Pretty much. For all it's faults, Lexicanum is a far, far, far better place to start your research.

Because at least they try to cite.

 Manchu wrote:
That and they don't just throw in what our Melissia would call "fan spank" whenever (although it does happen occasionally).

EDIT: I didn't know spank was autofiltered now.

What was labeled "tripe" isn't fan spank, it's the end of Flight of the Eisenstein plus wishful thinking. Nothing indicates what branches of he inquisition they went to if any at all. but the book does strongly imply that they become members of the inquisition. Not enough to say with any certainty.
Arguably anything from a Swallow book is worse thank fan spank. Though I've heard his HH fare is above his usual level.


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 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Oh, that from the beggining thing was 40K wikia? Nevermind then.

No it's from Index Astartes and Chapter Approved. Alpharius just doesn't like it.

 Alpharius wrote:
It just isn't right.

There were no Grey Knights or Deathwatch at 'The Dawn of The Imperium".

There were Grey Knights sometime in M31, during the Second Founding.

To date, nothing definitively puts the Deathwatch that far back.

Maybe they'll retcon/backdate it to then at some point, but until they do, it appears as if AustonT just doesn't like being wrong.

You have yet to contribute anything that refutes it other than your opinion.