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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/25 15:01:23
Subject: Wood Elves hybrid MSU
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Alluring Mounted Daemonette
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Thoughts on this as a tournament list?
Wood Elves
2396 points
Lords:
Spellweaver
Level 4 Wizard
Dispel Scroll
Lore of Life
General
275 points
Naestra and Arahan
Gwindalor (Eagle)
325 points
Heroes:
Noble
Battle Standard Bearer
Asyendi’s Bane
Hail of Doom Arrow
130 points
Core:
20 Glade Guard
Full Command
Banner of Eternal Flame
274 points
10 Glade Guard
Standard Bearer
Musician
138 points
10 Glade Guard 120
Standard Bearer 12
Musician 6
138 points
10 Glade Guard
Standard Bearer
Musician
138 points
10 Glade Guard
Standard Bearer
Musician
138 points
Special:
6 Treekin 455 points
Rare:
Treeman 285 points
Great Eagle 50 points
Great Eagle 50 points
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Glory to the Twelfth! Glory to Angron!
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 15:25:22
Subject: Wood Elves hybrid MSU
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Charging Wild Rider
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There are a few tweaks I would suggest.
The Moonstone would go quite nicely on the level 4, as would MR2 if you can find the points for it.
Are you expecting to play Blood and Glory? If not, all of the standards on the Glade Guard (barring the flaming unit) can be dropped.
You could really do with at least 2 units of 8 Dryads in there, 3 if you decide to go with the Moonstone.
I think you've made a type with regards to the Treekin, 6 of them is 390 points- I'm assuming you meant 7? In any case, I am really not a fan of Treekin at all. Some people speak highly of them, but I personally find them to be an awful unit that is a complete liability on the battlefield. I'd suggest dropping them outright, and using those points to fund your Dryads and a second Treeman, which will necessitate dropping both eagles. A single Treeman is just a bit too easy to deal with at this points level, he's easy prey for war machines and magic. A second ensures that at least one treeman should get to where you need him to be and offers a fair bit more threat as well as some redundancy.
With the Treemen, your list becomes quite a bit more vulnerable to magic- if you can find the points, a Branchwraith with A Cluster of Radiants is quite useful I find.
As always, any excess points can be dumped into more Glade Guard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/26 19:36:06
Subject: Re:Wood Elves hybrid MSU
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Gnawing Giant Rat
Utah
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If this is going for a competitive tournament list you need some dryads.
I would dump the sisters of twilight from the list. They are fun and incredibly annoying to the enemy but they aren't really competitive for their points.
Upgrade your treeman to an ancient and give him the cluster of radiants.
Drop the banners from the glade guard as most tournaments seem to avoid the blood and glory campaign.
Ad 2-3 units of dryads.
Keep the eagles, you need to keep them as right now they are your only war machine hunters and war machines will ruin your day especially with only 1 treeman.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/27 00:58:20
Subject: Wood Elves hybrid MSU
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Alluring Mounted Daemonette
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sisters are actually good now. with the monstrous cav update, they are now T4 W3 each, and you can't shoot the eagle out from underneath them. Also, since things like cannons land 1 hit on the model, you can't actually kill both twins with a single cannonball, you still have to randomise which twin you hit, since they are considered 1 model, but you randomise all shooting hits.
tournaments down under are all either random missions, rolled at the start of the game, or are the 6 rulebook missions is various order, ie i almost certainly have to play blood and glory at least once
Have added some dryads in, is this better?
Wood Elves
2397 points
Lords:
Spellweaver
Level 4 Wizard
Dispel Scroll
Lore of Life
General
275 points
Naestra and Arahan
Gwindalor
325 points
Heroes:
Noble
Battle Standard Bearer
Asyendi’s Bane
Hail of Doom Arrow
130 points
Core:
25 Glade Guard
Standard Bearer
Musician
Banner of Eternal Flame
328 points
10 Glade Guard
Standard Bearer
Musician
138 points
10 Glade Guard
Standard Bearer
Musician
138 points
8 Dryads 96 points
8 Dryads 96 points
8 Dryads 96 points
Special:
6 Treekin 390 points
Rare:
Treeman 285 points
Great Eagle 50 points
Great Eagle 50 points
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Glory to the Twelfth! Glory to Angron!
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/27 03:18:50
Subject: Wood Elves hybrid MSU
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Killer Klaivex
Oceanside, CA
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tmarichards wrote:
The Moonstone would go quite nicely on the level 4, as would MR2 if you can find the points for it.
You could really do with at least 2 units of 8 Dryads in there, 3 if you decide to go with the Moonstone.
How do you expect to use the moonstone with dryads?
You'd have to be a forest spirit to join dryads, and you have to be on foot to join skirmishing units.
You do not have any way to moonstone dryads.
You could put the glamourweave on the wizard lord, mount on unicorn and join the treekin, but that's a lot of points, and you wouldn't get a look out.
-Matt
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/27 04:34:12
Subject: Wood Elves hybrid MSU
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Alluring Mounted Daemonette
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full up on lords anyway, only get 275 for the mage and i need a dispel scroll
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Glory to the Twelfth! Glory to Angron!
"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/27 05:12:26
Subject: Wood Elves hybrid MSU
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Skillful Swordmaster
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I would really like to see how this performs be sure to give us some feedback.
Because other then the twins I really like it. And if its viable I will most likely steal your build with a few tweaks.
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Damn I cant wait to the GW legal team codex comes out now there is a dex that will conquer all. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/27 13:43:10
Subject: Wood Elves hybrid MSU
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Charging Wild Rider
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HawaiiMatt wrote:tmarichards wrote:
The Moonstone would go quite nicely on the level 4, as would MR2 if you can find the points for it.
You could really do with at least 2 units of 8 Dryads in there, 3 if you decide to go with the Moonstone.
How do you expect to use the moonstone with dryads?
You'd have to be a forest spirit to join dryads, and you have to be on foot to join skirmishing units.
You do not have any way to moonstone dryads.
You could put the glamourweave on the wizard lord, mount on unicorn and join the treekin, but that's a lot of points, and you wouldn't get a look out.
-Matt
My apologies, I didn't explain this well at all.
The idea is that you have your standard 2 units of Dryads for doing Dryad-related things, then a third unit which sits near your free forest. When trouble arrives, your mage unit dives into the forest and the Dryads sit 1" in front, making sure their frontage is wider so that the Glade Guard behind can't be charged- the Dryads are killed, and the enemy overruns into the mage unit (maybe with the other characters in depending on how much danger the other units are in) in the forest in their turn. In your movement phase, you Moonstone away. The enemy unit is then left in the forest fighting nothing with no chance to reform, and depending on the size of the forest they may well now have the majority of their models in there, making this a perfect time to hit them in the flank with a Treeman.
Overall it works quite nicely- people either don't know about the Moonstone in which case they get focused on catching that unit with the characters in and end up getting nothing for their troubles, or they know about the Moonstone and so don't bother, in which case they don't catch any of your real points. It does mean that you have to focus on keeping other forests clear to that you have options, but this isn't usually a problem as people usually can't afford to leave anything too tough behind to block you off- and if they do, that's less tough stuff that's running towards you.
The reason I mentioned the 3rd unit of Dryads is that if you plan on doing this, you need a bit more redundancy beyond just the 2 usual units that get used for redirecting/clearing chaff etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/27 14:21:47
Subject: Wood Elves hybrid MSU
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[DCM]
Dankhold Troggoth
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Wow, that's a nice use of the Moonstone. Thanks for clarifying your tactics with it  I always wanted a good reason to take it, and that definitely is one!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/27 19:39:07
Subject: Wood Elves hybrid MSU
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Nimble Glade Rider
Pittsburgh, PA North Hills
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Way too many archers, if anyone has anything decently fast they are done for since you can't possibly protect all of them and your eagles/sisters will be out warhamchine/archer hunting. I'd really look at trying to squeeze 3 more tree kin in there and do a unit of 6 then 3.
The moonstone tactic works wonders for the most part. Unless you get unlucky and fight the unit with flaming attacks. In which case your treeman wouldnt charge... but hes still out of position.
The only thing is might suggest is if you dont go more treekin, maybe get 3 Warhawks to fly near your sisters to take the shots from them since they are an arrow/magic magnet.
Regardless its a good list with the update adding the dryads in there. Make sure you take advantage of the free forest, a lot of the time its easy to bunker a mage in there with dryads in front and cast all the magic you need safely.
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10k+ High Elf
6.5k Dwarf
7k Original Chaos Dwarf (not the crappy forge world)
6k Bretonnia
7k Wood Elf
6k Dark Elf
8k Tomb Kings
5k Beastmen
5k Lizardmen
7k Daemons of Chaos (roughly 2.5k all but Tzeentch, I find them useless in 8th other than flamers and heralds)
5.5k Empire
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