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Question says above. This means the Codex's that haven't been re-done since 2010 or are just really terrible (I'm looking at the purple aliens of the Hive Mind...)

There's nothing wrong with 'Nids in 6th edition.

As for my Templars: Ward. Internal balance is pretty important.

Mat Ward is the safest pair of hands.

Internal balance without sacrificing variety and multiple lists. He also avoids anemic paste-&-copy updates (hello CSM) and hasn't yet written turned an army into something where the play-style utterly contradicts the fluff (hello gun-line Space Wolves and in-your-face-green-tide Dark Eldar).

I am interested to see Vetock's take on things though.

Here's to hoping we get a second capable Codex writer for 40K.

I'd prefer Ward to write the next edition of my Nids, I think he could do well with them.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Vetock can do, though.

There's nothing wrong with 'Nids in 6th edition.

While Nids got undeniably better, there are still plenty of problems that need a codex rewrite to fix.

Ward for the rules, and then maybe someone else in to work alongside in creating fluff, would be the best codex ever

Agree, will be interesting to see the new Dark Angels and Vetocks work

Really GW needs to do away with one man codei(sp) and assign a team to handle every codex.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Really GW needs to...assign a team to handle every codex.

I whole heartedly agree with this. I don't understand why they haven't already. They could churn out more in a shorter amount of time, whilst also aiding with balance.

Is it too much to hope that someone like Dan Abnett would write the fluff for it?

 Griddlelol wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Really GW needs to...assign a team to handle every codex.

I whole heartedly agree with this. I don't understand why they haven't already. They could churn out more in a shorter amount of time, whilst also aiding with balance.

That was my thought as well. most other( if not all other) Games do this. You have a rule team, you place a rule guy at its head you keep things balanced and you bring in real people with real writing skill for the fluff. Also if they wanted to make Dan Abnett master of fluff, I would so get behind that.

 Griddlelol wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Really GW needs to...assign a team to handle every codex.

I whole heartedly agree with this. I don't understand why they haven't already. They could churn out more in a shorter amount of time, whilst also aiding with balance.

They did that with Necrons, didn't stop people cursing Ward.

 sudojoe wrote:
Is it too much to hope that someone like Dan Abnett would write the fluff for it?

I don't think people used to writing things in novel-length would necessarily be good to write army-themes condensed into self-contained 50 word paragraphs.

They might, but they might not. As much as I like Abnett's novels, his "style" didn't translate well (IMO) into a movie script either.

Wait, he wrote a movie? What was it?

Phil Kelly's track record can be just as rocky as anyone else working at GW, but when he does well, he manages to do very, very well. I'd throw him on any codex, just for the chance that he might make something as good as the Ork Codex again.

 sudojoe wrote:
Wait, he wrote a movie? What was it?

Abnett wrote the script for the Ultramarines Movie.

I pray to Tzeentch for Mr.Kelly to write our new Daemons codex & Army Book.

Gods help us all if GW is stupid enough to let Ward near Daemons again... ("But, they're DAEMONS!1!!1!11!!!!" )

For the record, a team of people DO write each codex. The name credited is the lead writer/designer.

I find it funny how the initial responses here are calling for Ward to head up their codexes. But the majority of complaints are that he writes broken rules and bad fluff. I guess broken rules are ok when it's your army in question, no?

I point to this thread on the same page for reference:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/495806.page

 cvtuttle wrote:
For the record, a team of people DO write each codex. The name credited is the lead writer/designer.

I find it funny how the initial responses here are calling for Ward to head up their codexes. But the majority of complaints are that he writes broken rules and bad fluff. I guess broken rules are ok when it's your army in question, no?

I point to this thread on the same page for reference:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/495806.page

The ones calling for Ward in this thread are the ones trying to defend him in the other, so its not really funny at all. Some of us do actually like the guys work.

He writes the best rules on the game imho, but thats for another thread.

 cvtuttle wrote:

I find it funny how the initial responses here are calling for Ward to head up their codexes. But the majority of complaints are that he writes broken rules and bad fluff. I guess broken rules are ok when it's your army in question, no?

The problem is that the majority of complaints doesn't correlate with the majority of problems. Thanks to this silly anti-Ward internet-meme, they have become two very different things.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
There's nothing wrong with 'Nids in 6th edition.

As for my Templars: Ward. Internal balance is pretty important.

Let Ward write the rules, Kelly can write the fluff. If Ward touches fluff, it turns to crap. Actually, I'd also be okay with Vetock writing Templars: he wrote Skaven, which was great at the tail end of 7th, and still really good in 8th, Orcs and Goblins which got much better in 8th, Ogres which are nasty but still not OTT (other than Mournfang), and he's doing Dark Angels and Daemons, which haven't been officially released yet. He's a good writer so far too, and I'd be happy with him, but he sounds a bit swamped at the moment.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Actually, I'd also be okay with Vetock writing Templars: he wrote Skaven, which was great at the tail end of 7th, and still really good in 8th,

Well, Skaven needed some 13 pages of FAQ to be workable. Not really the sign of quality work.

Admittedly, Vetock got better afterwards and it was (I think?) his first book.

Yeah, it was his first. I'm a firm believer of "screw up on the first day and don't make the same mistake again". Vetock has done a fair job of that so far.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Yeah, it was his first. I'm a firm believer of "screw up on the first day and don't make the same mistake again". Vetock has done a fair job of that so far.

Indeed, and I think everyone is rooting for him to be successful with the DA codex. Maybe he can replace Cruddace as a 40k author...

 sudojoe wrote:
Is it too much to hope that someone like Dan Abnett would write the fluff for it?

Please no. I like the Abnettverse right where it is: contained inside mediocre novels that I can ignore. Don't let him shoehorn his version of 40K into the studio material.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Let Ward write the rules, Kelly can write the fluff. If Ward touches fluff, it turns to crap/quote]

Isn't Kelly responsible for the Space Wolves codex? The wolf wolfborn riding a wolf with a wolf charm and a wolf wolf wolfy wolf? He's at least as bad as Ward when it comes to background.

 Kaldor wrote:

Isn't Kelly responsible for the Space Wolves codex? The wolf wolfborn riding a wolf with a wolf charm and a wolf wolf wolfy wolf? He's at least as bad as Ward when it comes to background.

He is. And as most people have already stated, most of that equipment was already in the SW fluff. Kelly could either rewrite fluff or keep what was already there. And also as stated, most people look at SW as a fail of Kelly's-most people like his other work. He also did Dark Eldar, Eldar, Orks and Chaos-all of which didn't have the same naming issues. Yes, there were dark lances-which ALREADY existed. Unlike Ward who attached Nemesis and Blood to everything in their respective codexes. Kelly gets one, Ward had multiples. So yes, keep Ward away from Fluff, Kelly is okay. Everybody gets a hiccup once in a while-just don't do the same thing over and over when people hate it. Ward also should have learned when Kelly caught so much grief from it in the Wolf codex-if people hate it, don't do it. Ignoring hated issues is less forgivable than making them once and never doing it again.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

Isn't Kelly responsible for the Space Wolves codex? The wolf wolfborn riding a wolf with a wolf charm and a wolf wolf wolfy wolf? He's at least as bad as Ward when it comes to background.

He is. And as most people have already stated, most of that equipment was already in the SW fluff

It's not just naming conventions either. Those I can deal with. Exploding a void whale? Riding a bike through a Titan? Vect's appalling background? Kelly's track record is certainly no better than Ward. I'm not terribly familiar with all his work, but the fact that he turned Vikings in Space who hate wizards into a board-edge-hugging gunline, always led by a wizard is pretty bizarre.

Rules - Ward.
Fluff - anyone else beside Ward.

BT is the oldest codex, therefore first in line for an update. Unfortunately GW doesnt have their gak together and knows feth all about customer service.

With that being said, all rumors have pointed towards Phil Kelly writing the book. Or WD codex. Or napkin scrawled with "feth you fanbase" on it.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
There's nothing wrong with 'Nids in 6th edition.

As for my Templars: Ward. Internal balance is pretty important.

Could you imagine the fluff of the codex though?

Im refering purely to the fact he said in 5th SM codex that any chapter not following the Codex was having their geneseed corrupted and their numbers falling greatly because of it. Likewise if he had to write the Space Wolves, both chapters who hate the Codex and Guilliman (thats not me bashing on him, thats me commenting how would he work with their previous fluff when it contradicts what he wrote in the SM codex)


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 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
Rules - Ward.
Fluff - anyone else beside Ward.

Ultimately this.

As much as I like ADB, Dan Abnet, or Graham McNeill, I dont think they are going to join GW and write a codex. A shame because their fluff would at least present a nice picture that doesnt have the stupidty of Ward or Kelly's Space Wolves

 Galdos wrote:

As much as I like ADB, Dan Abnet, or Graham McNeill, I dont think they are going to join GW and write a codex. A shame because their fluff would at least present a nice picture that doesnt have the stupidty of Ward or Kelly's Space Wolves

Graham McNeill did co-author the 4th Edition Space Marines Codex.

You know, the one written mainly to advertise his Ultramarines books. The Codex filled literally with nothing but Ultramarines fluff and imagery. The Space Marine Codex before Mat Ward toned down the Ultramarine fetish by about 50% and actually included things like Salamanders, White Scars, Crimson Fists, etc.. .

Mat Ward for wel, anything, really.