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Had to switch army around for 6th, haven't played in a year. I'm liking dreadnought spam as well as devastators. Please lend me all of your opinions

Total - 1973
HQ - 125
Libby, JP
-lance and might powers

Elites - 538
Frag Cannon Furioso, H Flamer, Grapple, Search Light, Pod
Frag Cannon Furioso, Melta, Grapple , Searchlight , Pod
Frag Cannon Furioso, Melta, Grapple , Searchlight , Pod

Troops - 725
10 Assault Squad, 2 Meltagun, Pair Lightning Claw, MeltaBomb-(265) (libby goes here)
10 Deathcompany, Bolters, Powerfist, Infernus pistol, Pod - (275)
DC Talon Dreadnought, Grapple, H Flamer, Pod - (185)

Heavy (585)
Devastators x10, 2 ML, 2 PC - (305)
-Aegis Defense w/ Icarus
Predator, Autocannon, lascannons, dozer blade - (140)
Predator, Autocannon, lascannons, dozer blade - (140)

Still a novice so be easy but helpful.
Haven't battle tested this yet. Obviously not tourney worthy but still want it to be competitive. Still thinking of whether to drop a nought for a preist and a baal pred, and whether or not to drop stuff to get another HQ, GK termie hq is mighty attractive. I've also seen some taking attack bike squads after 6th, and I'm wary to go full mech and would rather do large squads with meq mixed in. Thought about replacing libby with dante so i can DS, but I've grown comfortable with libby.
Basic strategy is to deploy devs and aegis defense somewhat in middle to distract and blast stuff, put preds on the flanks so opponent has to spread out to focus on them, and basically drop dreads and DC where i see fit to cause confusion. Libby and assault squad jump around and tear up meq's. Also, if you think I should pick different powers, please do tell. I picked lance because its lance and might because it can give my LC serge 3 more attacks all with rerolls to wound.
Please lend me your knowledge.

if you lyk dreadnaught spam take a couple of units of 5 death company and take a death company dreadnaught for each for 2 scoring dreads, death company dont count as scoring units anymore but the dreadnaughts do in this list at the moment you have 2 scoring units at 2k this isnt very good as 5/6 of the rulebook missions are objective based, maybe take 2 units of five death company, 2 death company dreadnaughts, then 2 assault squads n i would probably only take one or two of the furioso dreadnaughts and stick them in drop pods this makes them quite nasty, the most important thing in your list to address is the number of scoring units


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also dreadnaughts can be nice and in spam but in 6th hull points made exploding armour easier, if a vehicle loses all of its hull points, its gone so dreadnaughts can go quite easy if an army is equipped enuf to deal with them, id stay away from wyches with dreadnaught spam haywire grenades hate you, find the points to get the quad gun its much better 4 shots twin linked and at S7 is gonna take out more flyers, flyers are big thing in 6th they are fast and hard to hit as most ar amour 12 on the front you have a much better chance than one icarus, the librarian is a great choice for your assault marines, role for some powers in the rulebook maybe some divination, i dont really no much about blood angels so cant comment on the individual units.

^^ Don't think DC Dreadnoughts are scoring.

Just looked at the codex DC dreads do as they do not have the black rage special rule but death company troops do.


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If you want real dreadnaught spam try this,

Librarian, jump pack

Furioso dreadnaught, frag cannon, drop pod 160
Furioso dreadnaught, frag cannon, drop pod 160
Furioso dreadnaught, frag cannon, drop pod 160

5 Death company, jump packs 175
5 Death company, jump packs 175
5 Death company, jump packs 175
DC Dreadnaught, pair of blood talons 125
DC Dreadnaught, pair of blood talons 125
DC Dreadnaught, pair of blood talons 125

Dreadnaught, H. flamer, T.L autocannon 125
Dreadnaught, H. flamer, T.L autocannon 125
Dreadnaught, H. flamer, T.L autocannon 125

this comes to 1895 so still some points to play around with, dont know how this would fair out in a game but looks pretty tough.

Codex BA page 29

"Unit Type : Vehicle, Walker."

Rule Book page 123

"There are a few exceptions when a unit of troops does not count as a scoring unit:

- If it is a vehicle...."

But, yeh, I don't know why they gave the Dread the Rage rule instead of the Black Rage rule.

ahh right i hadnt seen that, yes it is stupid well i just get rid of all the death company then and add in assault marines wid jumpacks, but why they gave it rage instead of the black rage doesnt exactly go wid the fluff.

Shame though. Scoring dreads would be wicked. I'm kinda leaning away from DC altogether. worked out that a 10 man dc with a few weapons and lemartes would cost something like 600pts...and they don't score. Think I'm just gonna stick with assault squads.

After reading suggestions.. this is what I'm thinking
total 1988pt
HQ
Librarian, jump pack - (125)

Elites - 266
Frag Cannon Furioso, Melta, Grapple, Searchlight , Pod - 176
Sanguinary Priest , jump pack , power sword - 90

Troops - 1115
10 Assault Squad, 2 Meltagun, Pair Lightning Claw, MeltaBomb -(265) (libby goes here)
10 Assault Squad, 2 Flamers, Power Sword, Meltabomb - 220 (priest here)
10 DC, PF, Drop Pod - 260
DC Talon Dreadnought, Grapple, H Flamer, Pod - (185)
DC Talon Dreadnought, Grapple, H Flamer, Pod - (185)

Heavy (482)
Devastators x7, 2 PC, 2 ML (272)
-Aegis Defense w/ Quad
Predator, Autocannon, HB, dozer blade - (105)
Predator, Autocannon, HB, dozer blade - (105)

Ok so I still only have 2 scoring units. I don't know how reliable this will be w/o testing, but I'm counting on the size and mobility of the two squads as well as the other distractions of 4 dreads in drop pods and flanking (hopefully) predators, as well as the devastators cracking off blast markers in the center of everything hopefully.
I had thought about splitting up the squads into combat squads and making 5 head squads but the more I read the new rules the more I get the feeling that squad size is going to make a huge difference w/ SM now and that I should take at least 7 or 8 to any squad to ensure they can take some hits but still make a dent in the enemy. Still had the urge to make pts to add dante to the 2nd assault squad, but I have more confidence in another DC dread and a sang priest. Really want to stay at 2 DC dreads, blood talons are just too sick and I love the mess they make.
Any thoughts?

Can't take DC dreads without DC troops

Sorry that was a dumb mistake. I edited the above list. Basically just drop a furioso and switched to dakka preds to make room for decent DC. I think this list is what I will test out. Will see how DC does and if they seem like a waste of points I will scrap the idea and start over. If this list doesnt seem to last I might make a new one with dante and landspeeders/bikes.

DC are garbage. They just are. Yes, they will kill the hell out of something they charge, but the die as easy as a regular ASM with a priest buddy, and they don't score. I was thinking of them as elites for a while, but realized that I would usually rather have sanguinary guard who can actually *become* troops with Dante.

DC dreads suck hard because of AV 12 and no frag cannon option. Blood talons are highly overrated imo. To me, a dreadnoughts job is to deliver STR 10 hits on init 4. Not use lightning claws.

The thing is you might have good power and a strong army but only 2 squads are scoring and its assault marines.
That means you should be moving them into Assault or contest enemy objectives not sitting on your objectives.
And with almost every game is objective based, your opponent will basically just have to kill the two scoring units you have to be confidently land a win
I suppose you could combat squad them (if you can do that in BA not sure) but your assaulting marines would then be running at half their strength
I know your wanting dreds and thats fine it might win you games and sure be fun playing im positive on that, I just dont think it is good becuase of lack of troops scoring ability.

I liked the last suggestion about sang guard and dante, although I've never used them. I made a lot of changes to the list..

2000 total
HQ - 350
Dante
Libby, JP

Elite - 362
Frag cannon Furioso, flamer, grapple, searchlight, pod
2x Sang Priest, 2 JP

Troops - 855
10x Assault squad, 2 MG, 1 claws, meltabomb
9x Assault squad, 2 flamer, meltabomb, power sword
5x sang guard, death masks, inf pistol
5x scouts, 2 ML, 2HB, cloaks

Heavy - 451
6x Devastators, 2 PC, 2ML, aegis defense w/ quad
2x Daka Pred

Just what I was thinking off the top of my head. Want to get some more advice before I buy certain stuff. Still don't know how I feel about this list, but at least it has more scoring units. I was even thinking about doing allies with IG and getting some cheap troop squads. Or maybe drop dante and sang guard for another furioso and a squad of gk termies as troops. Also, what's best recommendation between force sword, force axe, and pf now since rules have changed?

I preferred the previous list. Looked a lot more fun. Even if the concensus is DC are rubbish, I had 5 jump DC that were utter heroes, and I try to treat more as a 'bonus elite' slot.

Maybe on the DC list, drop the assault lightning claws and turn one of the preds into a Vindicator for short range madness.