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A small question, a character equiped with psybolt ammo, will it improve the quadgun from a defense line to S8 when shooting with it?

No. There is a list of weapons that Psybolt Ammo works with, and the Quad Gun is not in it. Despite appearances, the Quad Gun is not an Autocannon.

 Cheexsta wrote:
No. There is a list of weapons that Psybolt Ammo works with, and the Quad Gun is not in it. Despite appearances, the Quad Gun is not an Autocannon.

All the sad faces were had on that day when it was realized. GK are so underpowered... I want Str8 quadgun cannon right meow. At least we can fire str6 heavy bolters from a bastion/fortress.

Side note: The psybolt ammo gives the "unit" the ammo so does that mean it confers to any independant Chr that joins the squad?

I'm sorry that your army can fire the quad-gun. You have the hive mind's sympathy.

Sympathy from the Orks too, being able to hit the barn door with a gun...

Well if you take fortress of redemption and the unit has psybolt ammo does it increase the strength?

I like a unit of 10 SOB retributors in a fortress. 8 Rending heavy bolters anyone? lol

 grendel083 wrote:
Sympathy from the Orks too, being able to hit the barn door with a gun...

You got Grots for that Quadgun, especially the Extra Crew on a Big Gunz team.

Psybolt modifies a model, not the unit.

 Icelord wrote:

I like a unit of 10 SOB retributors in a fortress. 8 Rending heavy bolters anyone? lol

Same problem that the bastion has, it is hard to find an opponent that has one target in the arc of fire of all those heavy bolters. For the bastion, you almost never can fire more than 2 of the emplaced ones.

 jadedknight wrote:
Psybolt modifies a model, not the unit.

Says nothing of model that I see.
A unit may take psybolt ammo for ...XXpts

Some single models can take psy-ammunition too, mainly ICs like HQs or the techmarine.

That said, the rules for emplaced weapons state they can be fired instead of one's own weapon, so i'd say 'yes' you can effect the heavy bolters on bastions, but not any weapons not explicitly listed in the psybolt section. (like a quad gun)

 Goat wrote:

 jadedknight wrote:
Psybolt modifies a model, not the unit.

Says nothing of model that I see.
A unit may take psybolt ammo for ...XXpts

And I can give a unit of Death Company jump packs for XXpts, does that mean that an IC gets a free jump pack? Nope.
The "unit" at that point are the exact models in that squad that you're buying, of which the ICs aren't a part of them yet.

 felixander wrote:

 Goat wrote:

 jadedknight wrote:
Psybolt modifies a model, not the unit.

Says nothing of model that I see.
A unit may take psybolt ammo for ...XXpts

And I can give a unit of Death Company jump packs for XXpts, does that mean that an IC gets a free jump pack? Nope.
The "unit" at that point are the exact models in that squad that you're buying, of which the ICs aren't a part of them yet.

that's not the same.
Psybolt is bought at a flat rate.
Packs are bought for pts dependent on squad size.
There's a thread somewhere on this, IIRC it proves that the attached IC get's the ammo.

Proof... no.. debate yes..

Psybolt ammo reads... a model equipped with....

The debate is whether an IC can benefit from the unit purchasing PBA unit army generation.

Fragile wrote:
Proof... no.. debate yes..

Psybolt ammo reads... a model equipped with....

The debate is whether an IC can benefit from the unit purchasing PBA unit army generation.

The upgrade says "The entire squad can have psybolt ammo XX pts"

The attached IC can be part of the squad.
It's silly but I don't see any other outcome from a RAW perspective.

The IC is not attached until deployment, which is after all your options are purchased. The IC is listed in a separate part of the rulebook for buying his own upgrades.

Purchased, yes. But not 'effective'. As written purchasing psybolt ammunition for a strike squad effects the entire unit and continues to effect the entire unit after deployment until the end of the game. There is no provision to indicate anything leaving or joining said unit isn't included in 'the entire unit' for that specific purpose.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 felixander wrote:

 Goat wrote:

 jadedknight wrote:
Psybolt modifies a model, not the unit.

Says nothing of model that I see.
A unit may take psybolt ammo for ...XXpts

And I can give a unit of Death Company jump packs for XXpts, does that mean that an IC gets a free jump pack? Nope.
The "unit" at that point are the exact models in that squad that you're buying, of which the ICs aren't a part of them yet.

that's not the same.
Psybolt is bought at a flat rate.
Packs are bought for pts dependent on squad size.
There's a thread somewhere on this, IIRC it proves that the attached IC get's the ammo.

OK, well an Honor Guard squad can be given Jump Packs for a flat rate. What about them? And in another thread they may have found like-minded people but that doesn't mean it's valid.

Or as IG I can equip a squad with Krak Grenades for 10 points. If I blob 6 squads together and purchase Krak Grenades for only a single squad the ENTIRE 60 man unit all get Krak Grenades for 1/6th of a point each?

 felixander wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 felixander wrote:

 Goat wrote:

 jadedknight wrote:
Psybolt modifies a model, not the unit.

Says nothing of model that I see.
A unit may take psybolt ammo for ...XXpts

And I can give a unit of Death Company jump packs for XXpts, does that mean that an IC gets a free jump pack? Nope.
The "unit" at that point are the exact models in that squad that you're buying, of which the ICs aren't a part of them yet.

that's not the same.
Psybolt is bought at a flat rate.
Packs are bought for pts dependent on squad size.
There's a thread somewhere on this, IIRC it proves that the attached IC get's the ammo.

OK, well an Honor Guard squad can be given Jump Packs for a flat rate. What about them? And in another thread they may have found like-minded people but that doesn't mean it's valid.

Or as IG I can equip a squad with Krak Grenades for 10 points. If I blob 6 squads together and purchase Krak Grenades for only a single squad the ENTIRE 60 man unit all get Krak Grenades for 1/6th of a point each?

I might be wrong but I thought squads couldn't join squads so I don't know if that is possible. And I also think assault grenades are on a model to model basis as per the BRB. "Special" grenades are confered to the squad via 1 model. I think you are just fishing here.

 Happyjew wrote:
I'm sorry that your army can fire the quad-gun. You have the hive mind's sympathy.

Are there no bugs that can fire the Quad Gun? Im certain ive seen someone making a Nid version of the Aegis Defence Line and emplacement. Can the nids not take fortifications? Lame sauce.

They can buy the line and gun if they want, they just can't use any guns for any fortifications. At least with line you put it at the half table mark and use it as some cover as your on your way to pwn people.

 Goat wrote:

I might be wrong but I thought squads couldn't join squads so I don't know if that is possible. And I also think assault grenades are on a model to model basis as per the BRB. "Special" grenades are confered to the squad via 1 model. I think you are just fishing here.

IG Platoons are different. The Infantry Squads can be crammed together making a 60 man blob. But you purchase them separately and then mash them together during deployment.

You have to remember that I'm debating as to why Psybolt Ammo does NOT confer onto ICs who join the squad. Of course you wouldn't give all 6 squads Krak Grenades because one squad did, that's silly. As for the rules of assault grenades it doesn't matter, it's the principal of "Purchase X for the unit for X points". It only confers it to the squad given that upgrade before deployment. Saying that an IC gets Psybolt ammo is like saying they get a free Jump Pack for joining an Honor Squad who bought the "The entire squad can have Jump Packs: XX Points." upgrade or the aforementioned IG option. It's simply people trying to rules lawyer to get another free advantage. Granted, I shouldn't be surprised it's GK who are arguing for it.

I'm trying to squeeze every +1Str out of my under powered book bro, don't hate.

If a model has Psybolts, any time it shoots one of the listed weapons the weapon has +1Str.

So currently only the HBs on a Bastion or FoR get the psybolt benifit(as the model is actually what is shooting)

The Quadgun doesn't work as it is not an Autocannon.

Fluffwise, the guy just loads the HB with the special ammo and fires away.

I'm trying to squeeze every +1Str out of my under powered book bro, don't hate.

your going to get flak bc your calling a Matt Ward codex underpowered. Those three words don't exist in the same sentence. It might as well be heresy to do so. you have troop choices throwing out 4+S7 rending shots that can ID anything they wound in CC. For 5 points more, you can get a weapon that can ID on wounds while giving you double S or +2 I. falcions aren't worth the extra points for only one A when you have force weapons regardless. Not to mention purifiers. I'd seriously like you to argue "underpowered" to a horde player when you drop more than half his unit before blows are even struck, and the rest or the hits either ID or ignore armor at AP3.SMH

you calling GKs "underpowered" is like a Flycron player saying hes totally not a power gamer, he just likes the Night Scythe/Doom Scythe model A LOT.


Anywho, to be on point; no Quad guns dont get Psyammo. Only guns listed in the Codex are boosted.

 Goat wrote:
I'm trying to squeeze every +1Str out of my under powered book bro, don't hate.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHHHAHA Man, that one was GOOD. Grey Knights. Underpowered. OH MAN!

 Goat wrote:
I'm trying to squeeze every +1Str out of my under powered book bro, don't hate.

You either do well with sarcasm, or you are a complete fool. Grey Knights are still solidly top-tier.

If you were being serious, and believe Grey Knights are underpowered, you are doing it wrong.

He was being sarcastic.

 HerbaciousT wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
I'm sorry that your army can fire the quad-gun. You have the hive mind's sympathy.

Are there no bugs that can fire the Quad Gun? Im certain ive seen someone making a Nid version of the Aegis Defence Line and emplacement. Can the nids not take fortifications? Lame sauce.

They can't fire the gun. In their FAQ IIRC.

 Grey Templar wrote:
He was being sarcastic.

We can only hope.