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Basically stuff that is canon to your own interpretation of 40K.

Example: IMO, the new Chaos Hellbrutes are just older Chaos Dreadnoughts that have melded with their tombs over time.

Not exactly sure what you're asking.

Are you asking what everyone's favorite retconn is? Or are you trying to ask for our own personal way of smoothing over fluff inconsistencies?

I like to believe the sanguinor doesn't exist.

clively wrote:
Not exactly sure what you're asking.

Are you asking what everyone's favorite retconn is? Or are you trying to ask for our own personal way of smoothing over fluff inconsistencies?

I'm talking about what sort of personal retcons you make to 40K. Say you dislike a certain piece of fluff, so you create your own conclusions to better suit your interpretation of the universe.

I.E: I prefer the idea of the Grey Knights being noble warriors who actively work alongside the Space Marines and Imperial Guard without mind wiping Astartes and exterminating IG Regiments once the battle is over.

For my own, private interpretation of the setting, I have adopted a mixed policy, where I go chiefly with stuff from GW only, but spice it up with cool ideas from other sources where I think they "fit in". I have also added a few ideas of my own, and I have even "retconned" GW fluff. An example:

In my 40k, Saint Praxedes is still MIA rather than being a confirmed casualty. Her disappearance sparking a legend about some SoB hero still alive and kicking ass inside Tyranid-infested territory, cut off from any and all allies but her own faith, is just too awesome to discard. And I'm still a bit miffed at the 5E Minidex authors for canning it in favour of a gakky "her corpse was recovered" line.

She is a Living Saint, the most powerful creature IOM has to offer sans a Primarch. And Draigo is still vandalizing the garden of Eden, I meant Nurgle.

5th edition necrons never happened

I'd like to retcon nids wielding guns, but I have no idea how you would do it.

Malal being removed.

In my mind, he still exists, and 1 of the 4 major gods (Tzeentch, if you have to know) has trapped his power, mind and form for all eternity, his followers ever seeking for revenge etc.

The C'tan not being turned upon by the necrons. I like to think the Eldat shattered the C'tan, and the shards are locked up by the Necrons for the safety of the C'tan.

nomotog wrote:I'd like to retcon nids wielding guns, but I have no idea how you would do it.

Symbionts?

Beaviz81 wrote:She is a Living Saint, the most powerful creature IOM has to offer sans a Primarch.

Was that referring to Canoness Praxedes?

Also, I don't actually think the Primarchs were -that- good ... *ducks*

Biovores?

I took it to be a rumor Lynata about Praxedes being turned into a Living Saint, ripping out the heart of a swarm of Nids from inside. As the Living Saints basically is the most powerful of the IOM this side of a Primarch.

As for the Primarches, they seem to wex and vane. At their height they are living freaking gods, when they vane an extraordinary human can best them.

For the Nid long range weaponry. Let them fall apart. Easy peasy. It's even backed by the Uplifting Primer.

My fluff retcones?

5'th Edition Necrons and Grey Knights.

And every Space Marine Chapter is unique with their own traditions and code of honor - not all of them ( except Wolves, Templars, Raven Guard ) want to be Ultramarines.

6'th edition alliance chart.

Every race winning card ( main Tyranid Fleet, united Orks, repopulated Eldar or Ynead ) because that's just propaganda. The only thing I see possible here is either Emperor's or Chaos Gods ultimate victory in the end when Emperor dies.

Every OTT moments that are even OTT for 40k ( like Mephiston tearing trough entire Tyranid Hive, all by himself after holding the gate against the same for several days, and killing Hive Tyrant and his guard - with his hands.

 Lynata wrote:

nomotog wrote:I'd like to retcon nids wielding guns, but I have no idea how you would do it.

Symbionts?

Just so long as it dosen't look like a gun. It's one of the things that stops me from completely loving nids. That and the hive mind deal.

What should then drive them, if not the Hive Mind?

Malal was defeated/absorbed by the other Chaos gods to such a degree he is barely even mentioned but he exist


Newcrons are simply the more activated versions of Oldcrons. IE. Oldcrons fluff was what the Imperial xeno-experts thought the Necrons were at the time but as time goes on the learned more about them and understand what the Newcrons are now.


Than there is a bunch of other things that dont really get factored in.

The Golden Throne isnt failling

Most IG regiments are actually compitenant with military leaders like commissars who actually care about their men and avoid wasting them.

The Mechanicum does still do advancement and technological research, it is just very slow and careful.

Draigo is actually fighting a mind war with Tzeentch. Everythign he has ever done is actually Tzeentch fething with him in his mind trying to show everything he does is pointless but if he joined Chaos he COULD have a lasting impact in an attempt to turn him.

Grey Knights rarely kill those they know are innocent and do not mind wipe loyal subjects.

The Inquisition, though willing to kill the innocent, makes sure that all actions are calculated to be long term effective. They dont just declare world exterminatus because feth that guy. They actually do their job correctly in other words.

Tau are very agreesive in their attitudes towards others so even minor resistance can result in their military actions. Non-Tau members are considered second class, humans and other races that fight the Tau are even worse than that
Ill list others later

 Beaviz81 wrote:
What should then drive them, if not the Hive Mind?

Something less always present. I would like more room for the individual nids to do things. Like if they have there own intelligence and the ability to mutate themselves.

Eh, if you like that, I always kind of liked the hive mind idea. Even though it's everywhere I look at it as a staple of sci-fi, along with the super armor troops of eliteness and those crazy fethers who screw up the everything... wait those collectively sum up 40k, huh.

nomotog wrote:
I'd like to retcon nids wielding guns, but I have no idea how you would do it.

How do you retcon something that has always been con?


Tyranids have had guns since Rogue Trader in 1988, lol.

What you're talking about is just making them into the Zerg.

 Galdos wrote:

The Golden Throne isnt failling

Most IG regiments are actually compitenant with military leaders like commissars who actually care about their men and avoid wasting them.

The Mechanicum does still do advancement and technological research, it is just very slow and careful. People don't get this part, Mechanicus is deliberately pushing for Machine Spirit dogma only to keep monopoly over Mankind technology. Imagine if every Human understood how their Machine works? Mechanicus would lost their monopoly and their current power. And in addition to researching new technologies they also modify xeno technology to use against them, the only reason why this is not shown becasue there are xxx area 51's i nthe Imperium and mechanicus kepps all the cool stuff for themselves.

Draigo is actually fighting a mind war with Tzeentch. Everything he has ever done is actually Tzeentch fething with him in his mind trying to show everything he does is pointless but if he joined Chaos he COULD have a lasting impact in an attempt to turn him. There is even better explanation for this: Draigo is under Emperor's protection. That explains why he has not fallen yet and why Chaos Gods cannot ouch him at all.

Grey Knights rarely kill those they know are innocent and do not mind wipe loyal subjects.

The Inquisition, though willing to kill the innocent, makes sure that all actions are calculated to be long term effective. They dont just declare world exterminatus because feth that guy. They actually do their job correctly in other words.

Tau are very agreesive in their attitudes towards others so even minor resistance can result in their military actions. Non-Tau members are considered second class, humans and other races that fight the Tau are even worse than that
Ill list others later

Actually this is how the things ARE in 40k, the only difference is that majority of people ( like 90% ) takes literally EVERYTHING that is told with the Imeprium.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

nomotog wrote:
I'd like to retcon nids wielding guns, but I have no idea how you would do it.

How do you retcon something that has always been con?


Tyranids have had guns since Rogue Trader in 1988, lol.

What you're talking about is just making them into the Zerg.

I actually agree with him. It just looks weird.

I like the way Hydras and Roachs and Multalisk look, they are the weapon effectivelly. I never liked the look that Tyranids have guns attached to their arms. It looks like a weird genetic experiment of a Zerg combined with an elphant gun


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 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:


People don't get this part, Mechanicus is deliberately pushing for Machine Spirit dogma only to keep monopoly over Mankind technology. Imagine if every Human understood how their Machine works? Mechanicus would lost their monopoly and their current power. And in addition to researching new technologies they also modify xeno technology to use against them, the only reason why this is not shown becasue there are xxx area 51's i nthe Imperium and mechanicus kepps all the cool stuff for themselves.

Thats not the way ive read things but ya this is what I meant. Advancement DOES occur. Vehicles are declared obsolite and replaced with new better models, etc... Like the reason the 5 and 4th edition Leman Russes look different is because its an updated model with better armor, etc...

There is even better explanation for this: Draigo is under Emperor's protection. That explains why he has not fallen yet and why Chaos Gods cannot ouch him at all.

Thats worse for me. That means that Draigo defeated a Chaos Primarchs and his champions and was able to do all sorts of crazy stuff like destroy Nurgle's gardens. That makes him even more mary sue in my eye. But hey whatever. Everyone has their own opinions

"Praying to the Machine Spirit" is an exaggerated way of saying "Work you piece of please don't bypass the swear filter like this. reds8n " and banging on something with a hammer.

Yeah, it amuses me when some authors and fans take the whole "Machine Spirit" thing too literally, when it was obvious from early on that it meant "Really advanced computer we don't fully understand" so we pray to it like ancient peoples prayed to gods to prevent tsunamis.

Draigo is basically the good Abbaddon. But unfortunately he is so powerful that Mary Sue in Godmode, or lost Primarch (Berserk Button for so many people) is the only way to explain him.

Also Admech being stupid is a damn strange way to read it, I file it under the IOM being Stupid Evil rather than utterly pragmatic as it then sounds like a few major reforms would get the IOM to just curbstomp everything and they are now holding back.

As for the Nids toting guns, no real issue, but many of the early thingies looked strange. Remember the shoulder-mounted bolters of the Terminators with 1 meter tall shoulders?

 Galdos wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

nomotog wrote:
I'd like to retcon nids wielding guns, but I have no idea how you would do it.

How do you retcon something that has always been con?


Tyranids have had guns since Rogue Trader in 1988, lol.

What you're talking about is just making them into the Zerg.

I actually agree with him. It just looks weird.

I like the way Hydras and Roachs and Multalisk look, they are the weapon effectivelly. I never liked the look that Tyranids have guns attached to their arms. It looks like a weird genetic experiment of a Zerg combined with an elphant gun

I will second this. I think the zerg have a much better look and feel to them. Nid guns look so bad i would rather have them actually carry guns then have what they have now. ..... Maybe I can model one with a pulse carbine.

In my world "red thirst (BA) " doesn't exist...
It's dumbest feat SM can have...
I' mean did BA had a "la chupacabra (eng:goat sucker)" gene spliced in ?

They got them from nightmares, and suddenly wake up demanding to tear flesh, just they unlike the really stupid Flesh Tearers can actually control it (never let them fight the Tyranids, though if I wrote their fluff that would be option B). I don't mind it so much Marko but I understand at least.

Beaviz81 wrote:I took it to be a rumor Lynata about Praxedes being turned into a Living Saint, ripping out the heart of a swarm of Nids from inside.

Ohhh - no, no. In her original fluff, it's just that people didn't actually see her die - the last thing that people on the evacuation shuttles saw was her slapping down a Hive Tyrant and pressing the attack. In other words: it's fairly obvious that she's dead, but her legend was hyped up by the survivors, much like I think the stories about the Emperor and the Primarchs were. I thought that was a fairly cool detail, the bit about how some believe she's still around.

"Saint Praxedes was a Canoness of the Order of Our Martyred Lady at the start of the Second Tyrannic War. With a force of Battle Sisters she reinforced the Caladenian Imperial Guard on the Cardinal World of Okassis. As the Tyranids assaulted the Cardinal's palace, she led her Sisters and a company of Guardsmen in a gallant counter-attack. Leading from the front of the fighting, she bested a Hive Tyrant and broke the Tyranid attack, buying the thousands of refugees fleeing from the conflict the time needed to evacuate the planet.
Not content with this success, the Canoness pressed deep into the heart of the Tyranid swarms, leading her small army in a guerilla war against the hordes of the hive mind. The disruption and havoc she wreaked seriously weakened the Tyranid attack on the spaceport, saving even more lives. As the last of the shuttles soared into orbit and safety, all contact was lost with her army. She was the first Martyr to the Kraken and her name is revered all across the Ultima Segmentum. Some claim that she lives yet, fighting on against the dreaded hordes of the Tyranids from within."

Beaviz81 wrote:For the Nid long range weaponry. Let them fall apart. Easy peasy. It's even backed by the Uplifting Primer.

I remember that part.

She is called a Saint Lynata, that's where the misunderstanding stems from. I take the stance it might happen and it might not, but it would be awfully cool if it does. And sure stranger things have happened.

Yeah it was my insane reasoning for me to support that the Tyranids should be without firearms, little else.

This one is just my own visual take on the world, but I always envisioned Melta weapons as firing globs of superheated metal that explode on contact, rather than a jet of hot air. I want a magma spewing cannon, not a weaponized hairdryer!