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I'm a new player and I have the Protectorate side of the 2 player battle box. I'm considering getting the Choir of Menoth, but I'd like to stay away from metal.
I heard a rumor they are out in plastic. Is this true?
Thanks.

Nope, just metal.

The choir arn't bad for metal models. You just need to use Super glue. The bigger problem with them is that the Menofix's on their staves always break off.

And IIRC they are only 2 piece models. One of the sculpts is a one piece(the one with the scroll to his side) and the Leader's second piece is just a scroll container on his back.

As far as metal models go, choir arn't scary at all.

Try putting the Harbinger together, thats a scary metal model.

Thanks for the quick answer y'all. I grew up on metal minis and I'm just so damn spoiled with plastic now that it makes it hard to go back.
Maybe I could convert some?
Is anyone doing that?

You could convert something just remember it needs to be easily recognized. If your planning on playing with them in tournaments check with the TO first yada, yada, yada.

Personally I love metal models but I like the weight and I pin everything anyway.

Well, PP does have a fairly strict conversion policy. Must be 50% of the original model and must be clearly identifiable as what it is. Must also have appropriate weapons if applicable. If they have the Chain Weapon rule the weapon better be some sort of flail or ball and chain.

And unlike 40k the competitive arena for Warmachine is major part of the game. its very user friendly and a lot of fun. You will miss a major part of the fun of warmachine if you don't engage in it.

Conversion rules aren't strictly enforced in most places though. Stick with the Spirit of the rules, that it should still be recognizable as what it's supposed to be, and you Should be fine. Your Mileage May Vary.

There's not really anything in plastic that would work for Choir though. Really if you hate metal models, Warmachine might not be a good game for you.

 AduroT wrote:
Really if you hate metal models, Warmachine might not be a good game for you.

I don't know if I'd go that far. It seems to be getting a lot better as time goes on, with several re-releases of old models in plastic. I mean, granted, it might take a while before everything converts over (if that happens at all), but I don't think that's a deal-breaker. And for true metal haters, at least most of the basic infantry models don't require a great deal of work to assemble, especially if you ignore the little fiddly bits (here's looking at you Cygnaran ceremonial swords).

Yeah, but currently the only plastic models are generally limited to 1 caster/warlock for each army plus a couple Warjack/Warlock kits. There is the odd Infantry unit in plastic but the majority are metal. All the Warcasters/Warlocks are metal with the exception of those in starter boxes.

You do raise a fine point. Maybe I'm just too optimistic about PP's ability and willingness to convert models over.

Is there any word on if they ever plan to completely convert everything/ mostly everything to plastic?

No, but it is unlikely for them to switch. Plastic moulds are both expensive and deteriorate quickly. Which makes them very impractical for models they will never sell many of, like Warcasters.

For Warjack/Warbeast kits that are same kit for multiple models it is viable. A Warjack player will probably want 6-7 warjacks. He can get 6-7 of the plastic kit, magnetize it, and have all the Warjacks he'll ever need. But he'll only need one copy of each warcaster.

As such, you can justify the cost of a plastic mould for something more players will use. Every menoth player will buy at least one plastic heavy Warjack kit, and probably more, but not every player will buy the Harbinger. I wish she was plastic, I so wish she was plastic.

So far all the units that have moved to plastic are either medium based, or models where two units can use the same body such as the Storm Knights, Menoth Knights and Winterguard.

A six man, single use model like Choir is unlikely to go plastic anytime soon. If you don't like, but can tolerate metal models you're mostly fine. If your metal phobic such that the one or two piece choir figs being in metal makes them a no go, then I stand by the statement that this probably ain't the game for you. I'm not trying to say it judgementally though, just as a cautionary statement, as you'd only have one caster, your main jack/beast chassises, and maybe up to three units in plastic, and the nature of the army designs you'll have a hard time converting those plastics to replace the metals.

 grayshadow87 wrote:
... Is there any word on if they ever plan to completely convert everything/ mostly everything to plastic?

This was asked of them at a Q&A panel at Warmachine Weekend last November. The current status is that there is no plans to make the line a majority of one material or another. What a model is made out of is purely based on the project needs and economics with PP.

As a note, an updated list on what's plastic right now is this:

General
Warmachine Two-Player Box
- Kreoss1, Repenter, Crusader, Vanquisher, Exemplar Cinnerators
- Sorscha1, Destroyer, Juggernaught, Man o'War Shock-Troopers
Hordes Two-Player Box
- Kaya1, Argus, Winter Argus, Feral Warpwolf, Warpborn Skinwalkers
- Lylyth1, Shredder x4, Carnivean, Blighted Ogrun Warmongers
Colossals, Gargantuans, and Battle Engines
- All of these models are metal and resin hybrids.


Cygnar
- Battlebox (Stryker1, Charger, Lancer, Ironclad)
- Light Warjacks
-- Charger
-- Firefly
-- Lancer Light Warjack
-- Sentinal
- Heavy Warjacks
-- Plastic Heavy Warjack Kit 1 (Cyclone, Defneder, or Ironclad)
-- Plastic Heavy Warjack Kit 2 (Avenger, Centurian, or Hammersmith)
-Units
-- Stormbaldes Unit and Stormgunner Weapon Attachment (Forthcoming)
-- Stormguard Unit (Forthcoming)
-- Tempest Blazers (Metal and plasitc hy

Protectorate of Menoth
- Battlebox (Kreoss1, Repenter, Revenger, Crusader)
- Light Warjacks
-- Redeemer
-- Repenter
-- Revenger
-- Vigilant
- Heavy Warjacks
-- Plastic Heavy Warjack Kit 1 (Crusader, Templar, or Vanquisher)
-- Plastic Heavy Warjack Kit 2 (Castigator, Reckoner, or Sanctifier)
- Units
-- Exemplar Bastions
-- Exemplar Cinnerators
-- Exemplar Errants
-- Knights Exemplar

Khador
- Battlebox (Sorscha1, Destroyer, Juggernaught)
- Heavy Warjacks
-- Plastic Heavy Warjack Kit 1 (Decimator, Destroyer, Juggernaught, Marauder)
-- Plastic Heavy Warjack Kit 2 (Demolisher, Devestator, Spriggan)
-- Behemoth (Resin and metal hybrid)
- Units
-- Man o'War Bombardiers
-- Man o'War Demo Corps
-- Man o'War Shocktroopers
-- Winterguard Infantry Unit and Rocket Launcher Weapon Attcachment (Forthcoming)
-- Wintergaurd Riflemen (Forthcoming)
- Solos
-- Man o'War Drakhun (Metal and plastic hybrid)

Cryx
- Battlebox (Denegrah1, Deathripper x2, Defiler, Slayer)
- Bonejacks
-- Deathripper x2
-- Defiler x2
-- Nightwretch x2
-- Ripjaw x2
- Helljacks
-- Helljack Plastic Kit 1 (Corruptor, Reaper, or Slayer)
-- Helljack Plastic Kit 2 (Desecrator, Harrower, or Leviathon)
- Units
-- Bane Knights (Metal and resin hybrid)

Retribution of Scyrah
- Battlebox (Kaelyssa, Chierma, Griffon, Manticore)
- Heavy Myrmidons
-- House Shael Myrmidon Kit (Hydra, Manticore, or Phoenix)
-- House Vyre Myrmidon Kit (Banshee, Daemon, or Sphinx)

Mercenaries
- Heavy Warjacks
-- Heavy Warjack Kit (Mule, Nomad, or Rover)

Trollbloods
- Battlebox (Madrak1, Axer, Impaler x2)
- Light Warbeasts
-- Pyre Troll
-- Swamp Troll
-- Troll Axer
-- Troll Impaler
- Heavy Warbeasts
-- Heavy Warbeast Kit (Blizer, Bomber, or Mauler)
- Units
-- Fennblades

Circle Orboros
- Battlebox (Kaya1, Argus x2, Feral Warpwolf)
- Light Warbeasts
-- Scarsfell Griffon
-- Winter Argus
- Heavy Warbeasts
-- Warpwolf Plastic kit (Feral, Pureblood, or Stalker)
- Units
-- Tharn Ravagers (Forthcoming)
-- Tharn Bloodpack (Forthcoming)
-- Warpborn Skinwalkers
- Solos
-- Gallows Grove (Resin and metal hybrid)

Skorne
- Battlebox (Morghoul1, Cyclops Savage x2, Titan Gladiator)
- Light Warbeasts
-- Cyclops Brute
-- Cyclops Raider
-- Cyclopse Savage
- Heavy Warbeasts
-- Titan Plastic Kit (Cannoneer, Gladiator, or Sentry)
-- Bronzeback Titan (Metal and resin hybrid)
- Units
-- Cataphract Acuarii (Forthcoming)
-- Cataphract Cetrati (Forthcoming)
-- Cataphract Incindiarii (Forthcoming)

Legion of Everblight
- Battlebox (Lylyth1, Shredder x4, Carnivean)
- Heavy Dragon Spawn
-- Dragon Spawn Plastic Kit (Carnivean, Ravagore, or Scythean)
- Units
-- Blighted Nyss Raptors (Metal and resin hybrid)
-- Blighted Ogrun Warspears

Minions
None

This seems like a lot, but if you look at the overall lines or numbers for each Faction, it actually isn't, andt his includes some recent smaller things as metal, such as the upcoming Aflictor or most solos.

And stuff.

EDIT: Made corrections and additions of things I might of missed like the hybrid Bronzeback Titan.

Behemoth is a resin/metal hybrid, not plastic.
The Mounted Drakun is all metal. It then comes with one of the plastic Shock Troopers that you glue a couple metal bitz onto to make the unmounted version
Legion Reindeer Cav are resin/metal hybrid now I believe.
I'd wager the Gun Mage Cav will be resin/metal as well rather than plastic/metal.
Really I doubt you see any figs that are plastic/metal because their plastics are made in china and has a history of being unreliable delivery dates to PP while the resin and metal are made in house.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The choir arn't bad for metal models. You just need to use Super glue. The bigger problem with them is that the Menofix's on their staves always break off.

And IIRC they are only 2 piece models. One of the sculpts is a one piece(the one with the scroll to his side) and the Leader's second piece is just a scroll container on his back.

As far as metal models go, choir arn't scary at all.

Try putting the Harbinger together, thats a scary metal model.

If you think thats bad try a Seether[shudder]

As it is PP are slowly converting to plastic but you may have to wait a while for them. As in a few years.

Warmongers are not plastic, those just got repackaged.

Well, it's not a deal breaker, but it's also not getting me fired up about the game. I even find the transition from polystyrene to PVC to be a bit of the suck since I am completely in love with plastic cement. I love not being able to stick my fingers together.
If my friends all play it regularly, I'll probably play too, but I'll also probably avoid all the metal I can. Even if it means limiting my army choices.


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Thanks all for the info and the feedback.

 Blaque wrote:

As a note, an updated list on what's plastic right now is this:

THANK YOU

I used plastic cement for several years. It doesn't stick you together but it does do stuff to your fingers. Its taken a couple years for my fingers to not look like I dunked them in acid. Not PC mention it can dissolve your eyeballs if you arn't careful.

Corrections added where need be.

And stuff.

Protectorate does seem to have a fair amount of plastic.
I wonder how little metal I can get away with and still have a viable 35 pt army. What is the typical tourney size army?

 matphat wrote:
Protectorate does seem to have a fair amount of plastic.
I wonder how little metal I can get away with and still have a viable 35 pt army. What is the typical tourney size army?

While I'm still fairly new, from what I've seen the three most common points values are 25, 35, and 50. If you want a cheap mostly plastic Menoth army, what was suggested to me was the Menoth half of the 2 player starter set, a minimum-sized Choir, and a Vassal of Menoth. That is 35 points and includes Kreoss1, a Crusader, a Vanquisher, a Repenter, a squad of cinerators, the choir, and the vassal solo. So it gives you a total of 5 metal models (7 if you count the two unused choir models)

As a note, I've had others tell me that the plastic used by Privateer Press doesn't work well with plastic cement and that super glue is a far better choice, so if that is true (I use super glue anyways, its much cleaner) then the advantages of plastic are less than the advantages of metal than for GW models.

Well, if i'm not mistaken, PP "plastics" are actually some kind of a mixture of resin and plastic, even though the boxes just say "plastic model kit", which pretty much makes plastic glue useless on PP models. Resin/plastic is still significantly easier to handle and glue than metal.

They're not resin/plastic mix, they're just a different type of plastic is all.

I don't think it'd be too tough to create a playable Khador or Menoth army in all (nearly all) plastic. Particularly if you are willing to do some converting.

You have the main plastic infantry which is excellent for both factions. You have plastic jack kits that can represent alot of the basic jacks and be converted into some of the all metal jacks.

You would probably have some solos/UAs that are metal, but again, you could do some converting.

It may be looked down on on the high end tourny circuit, but if you are playing with friends or at your local LGS then there are many many other lines of minis, some of them are in plastic. Malifaux in particular has some very cool models and are switching to plastics. Reaper has a huge line (and a mini finder tool!) and is moving alot of it to their plastic as well. And even GW stuff can work well. Khador and Menoth both have plenty of things they could choose from in both the fantasy and 40K range. I have some LOTR rangers that make great Nyss (but are metal).

Anyways, you can see what I am saying. There are a ton of options out there for models and converting. You are limited only by your imagination, time and money.

 AduroT wrote:
They're not resin/plastic mix, they're just a different type of plastic is all.

I'm pretty sure they are PVC, and yes, that means no plastic cement.

PVC is a plastic, though, right?

Yes.

 malfred wrote:
PVC is a plastic, though, right?

Yep, but not one that model building plastic cement works on.
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