Marine Sergeant upgrades

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**JohnnyHell**

Just modelling up several squads and wondering something before I glue everything down: is a Plasma Pistol or Powerfist or Combi-weapon really worth the points? Are you better off giving a Sergeant just a bolt gun or bolt pistol/chainsword and saving points for elsewhere in your list? A Plasma Pistol is 15 points, or a whole extra Marine is 16... seems silly to double one Marine's cost when you could double your numbers instead?

**Byte**

I like to keep mine to minimum wargear.

**Grey Templar**

Well depends. You really should be running your squads at max size so the argument that the PP is a whole nother marine is moot.

**Nevelon**

PPs are overpriced. There are times where a combi weapon is well worth it. Fewer times where investing in CC will help.

Most times I just run with a bolter or BP/CCW.

**JohnnyHell**

Yeah, I am bulking squads up to 10s, but every 15 PP points saved helps toward another squad, so not entirely moot.

I think Im going to do some surgery on my DV Sergeant and downgrade his pistol. And my younger, more power fist-obsessed self has a lot to answer for. Luckily I now have a ton of spare arms from a couple of eBay bits lots!

**Grey Templar**

You won't be taking enough PPs in your army to pay for a whole new squad. Upgrades are important.

Giving your sergeant a combi-weapon and a power weapon is a good investment. It gives you one round with double the special weapon shots.

The PP is a little more expensive to not lose the weapon after one shot and you get an extra attack in combat. It kills terminators dead, which is a good thing in this edition, and it can threaten vehicles.

**HawaiiMatt**

I've been happy with my pairs of plasma pistols.
With the plasma guns, it gives me 6 plasma shots at 12", and another 6 on the overwatch.

It's most likely ~10 points over-priced, but I can live with that.
And the Sarg looks cool.

-Matt

**Griddlelol**

I'm an advocate of combi-weapons to compliment the squad's special weapon.

**JohnnyHell**

Interesting... so running a combi-melta in a meltagun-toting combat squad is a good option? I happen to have one lurking around...

**Skinnereal**

I go with default, or bolter/fist.
If I don't go with a PF, the serg gets meltabombs.
Either way, getting close to a MC or vehicle, there's a chance they'll hurt it.

**JohnnyHell**

Thanks all. I think I'll model up some different stuff by squad, try a few games and see what works best for me.

**SlaveToDorkness**

I use a combi of a weapon that usually gets only one shot anyway and is situational. So, Combi-Flamer or Melta.

**Exalbaru**

Skinnereal wrote:
I go with default, or bolter/fist.
If I don't go with a PF, the serg gets meltabombs.
Either way, getting close to a MC or vehicle, there's a chance they'll hurt it.

Exact same here. I always want the Sgt to have an option against the big fish. Combi is an awesome asset to have but I agree the PP is overpriced. It has pulled me out of a jam way more than once though so its tough to say (like 2nd wave DP dropping a dread right next to the squad)