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What are peoples thoughts on this. In the entry for Hurricane Bolters it states that they are 3 Twin-Linked bolters. Would the tank get to fire 3 twin-linked salvo 2/4 shots?

If so stuffing some type of command squad with a banner into a tank seems like the thing to do. Add a power field carrying HQ some bikes and dark shrouds...

Might be onto something here.

I think it should work with the banner, but since the specific weapon entry is called Hurricane Bolter, chances are it won't be allowed or will cause so many arguments its not worth the trouble.

But, based on the weapon description, I would allow it. Since GW has just set a precendent with fluff/descriptive text influencing rules interpretations with the Nightscythe update, I think you about have to agree to allow the banner to work with a Hurrican Bolter.

Thing is, there is NO entry for hurricane bolters in any of the books, there isnt one in the rule book, DA book SM book or BA book under the weapons entrys, so yes it should work.

Well the banner works with all "Bolter" weapons. Like combi bolters and the twin linked bolters on a bike. If the entry for the weapon says "3 twin-linked bolters" I'm inclined to believe it works.

Until an FAQ is out it will not be clear. There's a lot of stuff that needs errata / clarification.

A hurricane bolter is three twin linked bolters.

I agree it works with the hurricane bolter because it is just "3 twinlinked bolters". the BRB states the "Bolter" is the same as a "Boltgun", Combi-Bolter i would like to say benefits but I am not sure, especially for Combi-Melta for example as it isn't just a prefix.

As far as other "bolter style weapons" Heavy bolter, stormbolter, Autocannon, etc... non of them are named "Boltgun" as the rule states.

 jegsar wrote:
I agree it works with the hurricane bolter because it is just "3 twinlinked bolters". the BRB states the "Bolter" is the same as a "Boltgun", Combi-Bolter i would like to say benefits but I am not sure, especially for Combi-Melta for example as it isn't just a prefix.

As far as other "bolter style weapons" Heavy bolter, stormbolter, Autocannon, etc... non of them are named "Boltgun" as the rule states.

The only argument I could see TFG bringing up is there is a section in the BRB that lists all of the "boltgun" weapons (it's a big list which kind of makes the standard even more nuts) but "hurricane Bolter" is not on that list.

As posted previously though, there's no such thing as a Hurricane bolter in any book it's just referred to as 3 twin-linked bolters.

From wrote:
Well the banner works with all "Bolter" weapons. Like combi bolters and the twin linked bolters on a bike. If the entry for the weapon says "3 twin-linked bolters" I'm inclined to believe it works.

Until an FAQ is out it will not be clear. There's a lot of stuff that needs errata / clarification.

Not true, it only works with "boltguns", ie ST4, AP5 Rapid Fire...the generic bolter weapon type is not referenced. Stormbolters, bolt pistols, and heavy bolters are not impacted by the banner. That said, twin linked boltguns (because twin linked is a USR, not a weapon type), and the hurricane bolter (because it states its three twin linked boltguns) should benefit. What's even better is that the vehicle with the Hurricane Bolters get to fire 24 shots at max range!! Makes the LRC really tempting for DA players.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

From wrote:
Well the banner works with all "Bolter" weapons. Like combi bolters and the twin linked bolters on a bike. If the entry for the weapon says "3 twin-linked bolters" I'm inclined to believe it works.

Until an FAQ is out it will not be clear. There's a lot of stuff that needs errata / clarification.

Not true, it only works with "boltguns", ie ST4, AP5 Rapid Fire...the generic bolter weapon type is not referenced. Stormbolters, bolt pistols, and heavy bolters are not impacted by the banner. That said, twin linked boltguns (because twin linked is a USR, not a weapon type), and the hurricane bolter (because it states its three twin linked boltguns) should benefit. What's even better is that the vehicle with the Hurricane Bolters get to fire 24 shots at max range!! Makes the LRC really tempting for DA players.

While you are correct I want to point out that "Bolter" and "Boltgun" are the same according to the BRB however the DA dex says "Boltgun" not "Boltguns" as the list in the BRB states.
Hurricane bolted and bike twin linked bolters are easy to say that they are a "Boltgun" that is twin linked however the one question is, Does a Combi-flamer/melta/plasma count as a "Boltgun"?

Yup, combis count. They ARE a bolt gun and a (single shot) special weapon, as the rules tell you to use those profiles. The only difference is that it's taken as one wargear option.

For that reason I believe hurricane bolters are covered too, but I'll agree it's open to interpretation either way.

Until Hurricane Bolter has a profile in either the DA book or the main rulebook. They should be treated as three twin-linked bolters. Thus, the standard of devastation should work on them.

Wouldn't the entire hurricane bolter be made into a 2/4 weapon meaning less shots?

Can we poll this? I would be curious.

For me the following would fall under "bolter/boltgun":
Bolter, twin linked, hurricane and combi.

Storm bolter thinking more likely no but maybe

Heavy, vulcan mega bolter bolt pistol definately not.

haroon wrote:
Wouldn't the entire hurricane bolter be made into a 2/4 weapon meaning less shots?

No. It's still three 2/4 weapons fired as a single shot.

This is like the 5th one of these threads. I think after many pages it was decided hurricane bolters where covered but there are alwway TFGs that will argue everything down to the individual letters.

My take is this. There's not a back of the book description for the Hurricane Bolter that describes it's actual statistics (ie Str 4 Ap 5 Rapid Fire 3x or whatever). The only description for it describes it as "The Hurricane Bolter consists of three twin linked boltguns fired as a single weapon." on page 60. The terms "bolter" and boltgun" are synonymous in the 40k setting so long as they are both describing the <Str4 AP5 Rapid Fire> weapon.

I'd give it to them based on that. Besides that the standard can only be used with friendly units from the Dark Angels codex. The only two units with Hurrican Bolters in the codex are the flyer at 160 points and the land raider at 250/280 points. So if you're going to pay the points for the vehicles and the standard I don't think the added benefit from the standard at another 65 points is too overpowered.

This thread again? Btw, the answer is:
"WTF Of course it's a bolter, NO it isn't, 3 BOLTERS FTW, NO single weapon, YOU ARE A LIAR STFU etc etc etc... "
Simply avoid this tactic until the next faq....

I would be curious to see a poll

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
What's even better is that the vehicle with the Hurricane Bolters get to fire 24 shots at max range!! Makes the LRC really tempting for DA players.

Hey can someone explain the math on the 24 shots thing to me. I remembered it once then I forgot. My math is Hurricane Bolter = 3 Bolters twin linked. Bolter rapid fires for two shots at 3x for a total of 6 shots...rerolling misses for the twin linking. LRC has 2 HBs for a total of 12 shots reroll misses. Am I right?

 MightyGodzilla wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
What's even better is that the vehicle with the Hurricane Bolters get to fire 24 shots at max range!! Makes the LRC really tempting for DA players.

Hey can someone explain the math on the 24 shots thing to me. I remembered it once then I forgot. My math is Hurricane Bolter = 3 Bolters twin linked. Bolter rapid fires for two shots at 3x for a total of 6 shots...rerolling misses for the twin linking. LRC has 2 HBs for a total of 12 shots reroll misses. Am I right?

Normally that is correct. (P.S. Bolters do not "rapid fires" just like you do not heavy a Missile Launcher. You can shoot two shots (Or Double Tap) with the boltgun, but Rapid Fire is the weapon type).

The Banner would make each bolugun Salvo 2/4, so 3 bolters at Salvo4 = 12 shots, and that if only for one sponson, the other sponson Hurricane bolter would have a second set of 12, making the total 24 shots fro the bolters, all Twin Linked.