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Title says it all. Once you are "shooting" a template weapon out away from your model it should have the posibility of scatter IMO.

Discuss

..u mean like ML will scatter? because that already does scatter

No like the Baleflamer or the Dreadknight Flamer.

why would a dreadknight flamer scatter? its not like when you spray a garden hose it turns right back around and smacks you in the face?

 Backspacehacker wrote:
why would a dreadknight flamer scatter? its not like when you spray a garden hose it turns right back around and smacks you in the face?

First off that comparison is aweful considering that yes sometimes that does happen(windy day, leaky nozzle) hehe.

Second, the comparison could be said for all weapons.

Third, template weapons were designed to be from the base out, the logic being that no one could miss the target 7" in front of them with a flame thrower.

Any weapon that shoots away from the model should have a chance of missing.

Considering all template weapons shoot away from the model...your idea is that all template weapons should scatter, even flamers?

Flame throwers dont really miss, they are the simplest form of point and shoot, hell its a wall of flame.

Besides how would you scatter it? If you use the current scatter mechanic you have a chance of the flame thrower doing what i said an blowing back at you and hitting models behind you which again makes no sense. or it has a chance to scatter forward, how the hell does that work, the flamer just magically shoots 7 feet then catches fire?

Flamers as they are work fine and have no need to be scattered, because it would not make sense. The only thing that would effect the direction of a flame would be wind which would be another whole mechanic to the game.

You seem to be missing the point.

In 40k blast and large blast weapons scatter to simulate the firer missing their target. The template weapons were for weapons that had no chance of missing since the distance was so close. Now they are making template weapons that have distance, requireing that they should be aimed, which should make them less acurate IMO.

To the other question, how would you do it. Simple.

1. Place template

2. roll scatter and adjust the small end of the template according to the roll

3. repossition template's larger end however the firer seems fit while leaving the short end alone.

Would still be more random even though you could completely turn the template around, but this is no different than how I have seen the Baleflamer being used.

I do not mean to pick on the Baleflamer but this doesn't effect alot of weapons YET. I just see that a trend might be on it's way. Look out for that new missile launcher with the napalm(sp?) missile that uses the template instead of the blast marker(which is what I think should be used instead of the template anyways).

Again, template weapons like that (USUALLY flamethrowers of some kind) don't really miss. If you have ever seen someone shoot a flamethrower in real life, and I have (my friend collects exotic weapons), it's near impossible to miss. Even on an incredibly windy day or in the worse circumstances, the force that it's pushing the gel out (it's not shooting fire, it's shooting flaming gel) is hard to manipulate. Now, the "flame" WILL move against the wind, but it's not significant enough to cause you to miss your target

Now, if it was like a flame thrower ML (like, it shoots a missile and the missile breaks apart to shoot fire just next to it's target), I would like this rule.

Maybe im just not seeing enough weapons that could reasonably use this rule...

I always viewed torrent weapons like massive flame throwers. I see it like a garden hose flamer vs a firemans hose hooked up to a pump truck. Same water with a lot more power and distance. I don't believe they should scatter at all

again if you do that then you run into the problem of this.

the dice could scatter away from the model shooting the flame, so i ask how can you shoot a flamer then not have the fuel ignite until it is 10 yards away from the flame source.


on the next problem, with how you said i can adjust the temple, it would be broken

lets say it looks something like this

+++++++
^
x
O
+ are the enamys in a line
x is the small end of the flame template
^ is the direction to the large end of the template
and O is the model shooting the flame

you roll to scatter, and it ends up like this

i can then position my template to hit all the models and the flamer is basically making a right turn in mid air.


X>+++++++

O

on the next problem, with how you said i can adjust the temple, it would be broken

it makes sense that ML need to be aimed but you dont need to aim a flamer its your standard point and click interface.

side question what army do you run?

A torrent weapon represents a bigger flamethrower. Its not something that misses. If the target is in range its getting doused.

Yup, it's just a larger flamethrower and therefore pushes the flames further, it's not 'aiming' anything any more or less than template weapons are.

Personally i'd have gone with the apocalypse tear-drop template for larger ones instead of just giving them more range, but that is what they went with instead.

Edit: The 'Hellstorm' one. Also I don't think there is a good reason to make them scatter.

Well, imagine the baleflamer shooting the 16" flamestorm template. Instead of hitting 3-4 models, it's more like 10.

I, for one, don't mind GW making me buy more stuff to carry around.

I fell like OP is just a butt hurt, horde army player who got wrecked by some one who was rocken a lot of flamers.

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