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All you fellow Imperial Guard players.
How many of you use the Vulture Gunship and how well are they accepted by your opponents?
I am in the process of building one and was wondering what kind of reactions I can expect.

See a few of them arround.

Havent met anyone that has a problem with accepting them here.

I've been on the receiving end of a pair of vultures, as guard actually, and though they are devastating, they aren't so much so that people start whining. I certainly didn't. I even thought it was funny when he decimated my outflanking platoon of guardsmen with it.

unlike Vendettas, Vultures are fairly priced.

I dont have a problem with Vendettas. I do with Vultures. 20 shots S5 BS4 TL pinning on a model with vector dancer(seriously? a gunship with vector dancer? even DE fliers dont get that).

That averages a kill on AV11 (2.97 glances) every round. Playing with Corsair Nightwings i know that vector dancer finds rear armor all the time on fliers or vehicles.

Where Vendettas sometimes cannot find targets easily due to flier rules, Vector dancer removes that nearly entirely. You can fire on a target forever thanks to the 45 degree arch of weapons.

On inf it kills 4 marines a turn then can pin them. VS GEQ it kills 10, 7.5 if they go to ground in area.

Only thing that makes this thing at all balanced is AV11. Still, 3 HP means it survives a quad gun shot (assuming the quad gun is still alive) without needing to jink and still gets 6 hits from the punisher even it it does jink.

Throw all this into an army that ALSO has the vendetta to back this thing up and its stupid good. The Vendetta always had the maneuverability problems and an inability to deal with infantry of almost any type effectively. The vulture has none of these problems and can deal with vehicles nearly as easy by finding rear armor turn 3-4-5 (hell, 2 some times if they are advancing).

I wouldnt mind if it was only for an army that could not get vendettas, but now you have two complimentary fliers in an edition where armies already struggle with fliers. Also, the vendetta is larger than the vulture so it can shield the vulture if the enemy does have skyfire so the AV11 weakness is mitigated.

zephoid wrote:
I dont have a problem with Vendettas. I do with Vultures. 20 shots S5 BS4 TL pinning on a model with vector dancer(seriously? a gunship with vector dancer? even DE fliers dont get that).

DE don't get it because they're fast jets, while the Vulture is a helicopter. Helicopters have better maneuverability, therefore the Vulture gets vector dancer and the DE flyers don't.

That averages a kill on AV11 (2.97 glances) every round. Playing with Corsair Nightwings i know that vector dancer finds rear armor all the time on fliers or vehicles.

And a Vendetta averages 1.9 glances or better on AV 11, except 1.5 of that is AP 2 penetrating hits (nice to have if you don't succeed in glancing it to death) and the Vendetta can actually damage things that are better than AV 11 while the Vulture just sits there being uselesss.

On inf it kills 4 marines a turn then can pin them. VS GEQ it kills 10, 7.5 if they go to ground in area.

IOW a 155 point unit kills 60 points of marines a turn. I'm really not seeing how this is overpowered.

Only thing that makes this thing at all balanced is AV11.

AV 12 actually.

I wouldnt mind if it was only for an army that could not get vendettas, but now you have two complimentary fliers in an edition where armies already struggle with fliers.

Well, lucky for you the Vulture and Vendetta are both fast attack choices, so an army that takes Vultures can't have Vendettas.

Also, the vendetta is larger than the vulture so it can shield the vulture if the enemy does have skyfire so the AV11 weakness is mitigated.

Err, no. The models are the same size. The Vendetta is "larger" only in that it's very slightly wider, but that additional size makes no difference in-game and it would be impossible to cover a Vulture entirely and shield it from AA fire. The Vendetta could give it a cover save of course, but so can any flyer that is willing to be a meatshield for a 5+.

How many points does a Vulture cost again? I was under the impression it was fairly pointed out for what it was.

 Valhalla130 wrote:
How many points does a Vulture cost again? I was under the impression it was fairly pointed out for what it was.

About 150-160 points, depending on your exact choice of weapons and upgrades.

Nice info guys. I am just about done assembling my vulture. Fixing the weapons to it.

105 actually, 30 for the punisher cannons but then you loose two other guns.

Same size as a Vendetta / Valk as its the same chassis. And it's not fast attack - it's heavy support. Unless the rules for it in IA8 have been changed.

I actually prefer 4x missile pods rather than a single tl punisher. If you are going after light vehicle squadrons and infantry blobs you end up getting more hits than with the punisher as well

Ross74H wrote:
105 actually, 30 for the punisher cannons but then you loose two other guns.

Same size as a Vendetta / Valk as its the same chassis. And it's not fast attack - it's heavy support. Unless the rules for it in IA8 have been changed.

50 for the cannons.

Vulture isn't underpriced or overpowered.

Anyone who doesn't want them likely is moreso just uncomfortable with FW.

It falls under heavy support and not fast attack? Wow thats interesting there. Very interesting. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Thanks again gang

 danpieri wrote:
It falls under heavy support and not fast attack? Wow thats interesting there. Very interesting. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Thanks again gang

No, it's Fast attack for C:IG.

It's Heavy Support for the Elysian Drop Troop list.

 Peregrine wrote:

zephoid wrote:
I dont have a problem with Vendettas. I do with Vultures. 20 shots S5 BS4 TL pinning on a model with vector dancer(seriously? a gunship with vector dancer? even DE fliers dont get that).

DE don't get it because they're fast jets, while the Vulture is a helicopter. Helicopters have better maneuverability, therefore the Vulture gets vector dancer and the DE flyers don't.

That averages a kill on AV11 (2.97 glances) every round. Playing with Corsair Nightwings i know that vector dancer finds rear armor all the time on fliers or vehicles.

And a Vendetta averages 1.9 glances or better on AV 11, except 1.5 of that is AP 2 penetrating hits (nice to have if you don't succeed in glancing it to death) and the Vendetta can actually damage things that are better than AV 11 while the Vulture just sits there being uselesss.

On inf it kills 4 marines a turn then can pin them. VS GEQ it kills 10, 7.5 if they go to ground in area.

IOW a 155 point unit kills 60 points of marines a turn. I'm really not seeing how this is overpowered.

Only thing that makes this thing at all balanced is AV11.

AV 12 actually.

I wouldnt mind if it was only for an army that could not get vendettas, but now you have two complimentary fliers in an edition where armies already struggle with fliers.

Well, lucky for you the Vulture and Vendetta are both fast attack choices, so an army that takes Vultures can't have Vendettas.

Also, the vendetta is larger than the vulture so it can shield the vulture if the enemy does have skyfire so the AV11 weakness is mitigated.

Err, no. The models are the same size. The Vendetta is "larger" only in that it's very slightly wider, but that additional size makes no difference in-game and it would be impossible to cover a Vulture entirely and shield it from AA fire. The Vendetta could give it a cover save of course, but so can any flyer that is willing to be a meatshield for a 5+.

Rending doesn't give AP2 against tanks, since you aren't rolling to wound against tanks. (unless the punisher does something different).

I played against a Vulture the other day. It's not too bad. I'd rather face Vultures then Vendettas any day.

Crazyterran wrote:

Rending doesn't give AP2 against tanks, since you aren't rolling to wound against tanks. (unless the punisher does something different).

Well! I've been playing that wrong.

Yup, the Rending rules are on a Rend you gain AP2 against things you roll to wound and an additional D3 roll when rolling to penetrate.

Well, I dont play the E-boys so fast attack it is.
I was asked today if the vulture is for apoc. only or regular. My printout does not say.
Which is it?

 danpieri wrote:
Well, I dont play the E-boys so fast attack it is.
I was asked today if the vulture is for apoc. only or regular. My printout does not say.
Which is it?

I've played FW at tournaments.

 danpieri wrote:
Well, I dont play the E-boys so fast attack it is.
I was asked today if the vulture is for apoc. only or regular. My printout does not say.
Which is it?

That's because you have the obsolete 5th edition update pdf. The current Vulture rules (which are significantly different from the pdf) are in IA:Aeronautica, where it has the "40k approved" stamp.


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Crazyterran wrote:
Rending doesn't give AP2 against tanks, since you aren't rolling to wound against tanks. (unless the punisher does something different).

You misread a bit. The Vendetta has AP 2 which makes its penetrating hits worth more than the punisher Vulture's AP -.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yup, the Rending rules are on a Rend you gain AP2 against things you roll to wound and an additional D3 roll when rolling to penetrate.

Hold on: Is the punisher gatling cannon rending??

Cheesedoodler wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yup, the Rending rules are on a Rend you gain AP2 against things you roll to wound and an additional D3 roll when rolling to penetrate.

Hold on: Is the punisher gatling cannon rending??

No (unfortunately). Someone just misread where I was talking about AP 2 on lascannons and thought it was a reference to punisher cannons.

Ahhh 40k Approved. Thats what I wanted to hear!!

 Peregrine wrote:

 danpieri wrote:
Well, I dont play the E-boys so fast attack it is.
I was asked today if the vulture is for apoc. only or regular. My printout does not say.
Which is it?

That's because you have the obsolete 5th edition update pdf. The current Vulture rules (which are significantly different from the pdf) are in IA:Aeronautica, where it has the "40k approved" stamp.


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Crazyterran wrote:
Rending doesn't give AP2 against tanks, since you aren't rolling to wound against tanks. (unless the punisher does something different).

You misread a bit. The Vendetta has AP 2 which makes its penetrating hits worth more than the punisher Vulture's AP -.

Fair enough.

My apologies.

Regardless, it's something that always needs to be stated. With my Kheres Contemptor, I would freaking love AP2 against the Light Tanks I need to pop.

Well, lucky for you the Vulture and Vendetta are both fast attack choices, so an army that takes Vultures can't have Vendettas.

it can also be heavy support in armored battle group!

 smurfORnot wrote:

Well, lucky for you the Vulture and Vendetta are both fast attack choices, so an army that takes Vultures can't have Vendettas.

it can also be heavy support in armored battle group!

In which case you're still not taking a Vendetta, which is also HS in an Armoured Battlegroup.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
In which case you're still not taking a Vendetta, which is also HS in an Armoured Battlegroup.

And both of them are fast attack in an armored battlegroup.

 Peregrine wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
In which case you're still not taking a Vendetta, which is also HS in an Armoured Battlegroup.

And both of them are fast attack in an armored battlegroup.

Oh well, point still stands I guess. Thanks for the correction though.

Magnitise your weapons if you get the chance. It's a fun platform to change weapons on.

Already making the weapons interchangeable. I will try to get some pics up of my work. So far the only GW or 40k piece is the HB on the front of the vulture!