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The murder sword isn't that good really, your best shot would be to only disembark the meganobz and charge the bikes, leaving the boss on the trukk will deny him from activating the sword and a few klaw nobz with 2+ save shouldn't have a hard time dealing with bikes, you can afterwards attach the warboss to the unit and roam free of worries

Yup, the murder sword being AP3 means he will have a real hard time making a wound and even if he does it's STR4 so only one wound, besides the lord the bikers probably nurgle means they have standard # of attacks and since there is no char on your unit, he can't challenge to save him on the first round, unless he is fielding 5+ bikes and the lord it should take 1 charge from 5 nobz to kill them all

wtnind wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:
Yup, the murder sword being AP3 means ...

Except that the sword becomes AP2 instadeath 2+ to wound when you are in base to base contact with the target. So if the lord on his bike gets the charge then he will put his lord into the warboss and even if he accepts/issues a challenge he still gets to fight with the sword in uber mode.

Uhmmmm, OP says his unit is riding on a trukk, which is open top and an assault vehicle so he has as many chances of charging as do the bikes, actually unless he blows the trukk (which isn't that hard with it being AV10) he won't be able to charge the nobz. What i'm suggesting is leaving the boss on the trukk and only unload the nobz for the charge, if the nobz alone charge the bikes there is no way the lord can get the AP2 from the murder sword, meaning they'll die on the first turn due to it being AP3 vs sv 2+.

wtnind wrote:
More likely he will move his lord on bike into your warboss (base to base contact)
Then issue a challnge with the unit champion (the chaos biker champion that comes with the unit)
Then he resolves the chaos lords attacks against the orc unit, the closest model is the warboss (assuming the lord isn't touching anyone else)
Then you have to make look out sir rolls against the instadeath hits.

If the warboss is in challenge, which it'll be if the champion declares the challenge the wounds made by the lord with the murder sword can't touch the warboss while in challenge, so no wounds for the warboss even if it's the closest model since challenges are only considered to be in btb with each other. The outcome would be the same thou, the murder sword being ap2 kills the nobz, the warboss destroys the chaos champ and if the warboss doesn't run on the next fight phase the lord challenges the warboss and kills him.

Still, all can be avoided by leaving the warboss behind, any sv2+ unit can deal easily with the murder sword

Luide wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:
The outcome would be the same thou, the murder sword being ap2 kills the nobz, the warboss destroys the chaos champ and if the warboss doesn't run on the next fight phase the lord challenges the warboss and kills him.

Nope, this doesn't happen. As you correctly said in previous paragrah, model with murder sword is not in base to base contact with the warboss, therefore it is only murder sword is AP3, not AP2. Meaning nobs are very much alive and your Lord is pretty likely dead from all the PK hit he is getting.

I remember there was a debate regarding this but i never followed it to the end. I'm on the side that there a big difference between being considered and actually being there. Not exactly on the murder sword, but there was also a thread that stated you couldn't charge a character in challenge because they are considered to be in btb only with each other meaning a charging unit could never get into btb to engage, so you need to take a side on if the challengers on btb are only cosidered for effects/wounds/hits but still occupy an space on the table and can be in contact with other models and therefore interact with btb rules.

Edit: Actually a little offtopic... but how will that new rule for the DA work that they have to be in btb to gain +1T, under your logic would that mean even if they are all tight if I challenge a DA character he loses the +1T?

Luide wrote:

 Lord Yayula wrote:
Still, all can be avoided by leaving the warboss behind, any sv2+ unit can deal easily with the murder sword

No, murder sword can be avoided by just having single additional character in the squad.

Any unit with sv2+ without the selected character from the murder sword will beat it. Another option as you said is to have a sv 2+ character on the same unit to take the challenge. However some units like the meganobz have no character therefore can't avoid the challenge. If that other character isn't sv2+ he'll die to the sword and on the next challenge it'll kill his target.