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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/22 15:47:41
Subject: Burns Night
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Regular Dakkanaut
Dundee, Scotland (UK)
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Robert Burns birthday is coming up, was wondering if any of you guys are going to celebrate, or if you have ever celebrated it before? Do you even know who he is? haha. Am currently doing a MSc and nearly all my class is foreign so going to take them to one. I feel that he is not celebrated enough worldwide anymore, most my classmates didnt know who he was but when you start to sing his songs or poems they have heard some. This must be changed! lol.
I think a lot of his work is still relevent over 200 years later. He has influenced a lot of writers and poets worldwide, in USA (the catcher in the rye, of mice and men) and Russia.
So guys go and have a listen and let me know what you think of The Bard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/22 16:09:28
Subject: Burns Night
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
Perth/Glasgow
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I'm going back to Perth for the weekend for my family's 'Haggis & Hula' (My Auntie got married in Hawaii on Burns night) which is usually quite good
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/22 16:25:54
Subject: Re:Burns Night
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Celebrating Burns birthday?
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/22 17:58:45
Subject: Burns Night
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Three Color Minimum
London
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Haggis for the win! Although I'm not Scottish, I celebrate Burn's Night. I also go up to Dundee sometimes, in Broughty Ferry, so I might've seen you, Gadge!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/23 16:16:34
Subject: Burns Night
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Regular Dakkanaut
Dundee, Scotland (UK)
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Haha aye you might is not a very big place. Need to go out and capture me some haggis, they are sneaky wee creatures
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/23 16:41:48
Subject: Burns Night
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Dundee, Scotland/Dharahn, Saudi Arabia
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I'll be celebrating out here in Saudi, I've smuggled a haggis in.
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If the thought of something makes me giggle for longer than 15 seconds, I am to assume that I am not allowed to do it. item 87, skippys list
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/23 18:51:25
Subject: Re:Burns Night
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Fixture of Dakka
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Finding the nearest pub after college (which is covered in saltires naturally) and joining a ceilidh. ...Like every second pub in Glasgow has one at this time of year.
Last year I and some of my class rented out some traditional dress for the night and toted about in that (ah disposable income). But we're all poor sods this year, so I imagine if anything it'll be a tartan skirt out of Tk Max. XD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/23 19:10:47
Subject: Burns Night
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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Burns night is a big thing in the army so this year I will be attending a formal dinner in the mess. I will also be reciting a poem (this happens every year sinply because I am Scottish).
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/23 19:21:42
Subject: Burns Night
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
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My hometown celebrates with a night of song, dance and Haggis. 600+ in attendance. the Pipers are the best part, IMHO
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"Friglatt Tinks e's da 'unce and futor git, but i knows better. i put dat part in when i fixed im up after dat first scrap wid does scrawn pointy ears and does pinkies." Dok chopanblok to Big Mek Dattrukk.
Victories against: 2 2 1 1 1 2 3 1 2
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/23 19:27:11
Subject: Burns Night
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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I think its rather pretentious and made up. I cannot understand why its popular at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/23 20:09:28
Subject: Re:Burns Night
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Fixture of Dakka
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...Because the Scots don't have enough reasons to get all nationalist in the year. Actually come to think of it Saint Andrew's Day and Hugmoney are the only other times in the year that you can get a good swally in without coming across as a drunk really.=P
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/24 00:56:39
Subject: Re:Burns Night
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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I'm not a massive fan of Robert Burns so I might look out my favourite Montgomery Burns episodes of the Simpsons and watch them instead.
Capital inspiration there old bean!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/24 10:28:23
Subject: Re:Burns Night
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21128089
The offal truth about American haggis
Traditional Scottish haggis is banned in the United States. With Burns Night looming, how do fans satisfy their taste for oatmeal and offal?
For aficionados, it is the "great chieftain o' the pudding-race".
To sceptics, however, it is a gruesome mush of sheep's innards - and for decades American authorities have agreed.
Authentic Scottish haggis has been banned in the United States since 1971, when the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) first took a dim view of one of its key ingredients - sheep's lung.
While millions of people around the world will enjoy, or endure, a Burns Night helping on 25 January, those in the US who want to celebrate Scotland's national bard in the traditional manner are compelled to improvise.
Some choose to stage offal-free Burns suppers, and for most people not raised in Scotland, the absence of the dish - comprising sheep's "pluck" (heart, liver and lungs) minced with onion, oatmeal, suet and spices, all soaked in stock and then boiled in either a sausage casing or a sheep's stomach - might be no great hardship.
But for many expat Scots and Scots-Americans, the notion of Burns Supper without haggis is as unthinkable as Thanksgiving without turkey.
According to custom, the haggis should be paraded into the room with a bagpiper before Burns' poem Address to a Haggis is recited and the dish is served as the main course.
Address to a Haggis, by Robert Burns
Original Translation
Fair fa' your honest, sonsie face, Great chieftain o' the pudding-race! Aboon them a' ye tak your place, Painch, tripe, or thairm: Weel are ye wordy o'a grace As lang's my arm
Fair is your honest happy face, Great chieftain of the pudding race! Above them all you take your place, Stomach, tripe or guts: Well are you worthy of a grace as long as my arm
To purists, removing the haggis from the equation, or replacing it with vegetarian version, is heresy.
"It would be difficult to do an address to the chicken," complains the Spectator's Alex Massie, who each January uses his column to rail against US haggis prohibition.
At one time it might have been a marginal issue, but a Scottish heritage movement of Americans eager to connect with their Caledonian ancestry has been in the ascendency since the first Tartan Day was celebrated in New York in 1982.
Native-born Scots may cringe at plaid-draped Americans proclaiming kinship with ancient clan chiefs, but Highland games across the US can attract crowds of up to 40,000 and Scottish societies exist in virtually every state and major city. In 2008, President George W Bush officially proclaimed 6 April as Tartan Day on which "the contributions of Scottish Americans" should be celebrated.
Against this backdrop, a mini-industry has emerged with American firms from Texas to New England manufacturing lung-free haggis for the US domestic market each January.
Retired healthcare executive Ronald Grant Thurston, 76, started producing McKean's Haggis in Bangor, Maine, after a visit to Glasgow, the birthplace of his wife Isabella.
He uses imported Scottish cereals and US-reared offal - British beef and sheep products having been banned from import since 1989 - and insists the product is none the worse for the absence of its missing ingredient.
"As an American who's not used to eating lungs, it's an improvement," he says.
Critics, however, complain that this Transatlantic version can never match the authentic Scottish product.
Massie, who staged numerous American Burns Suppers during his five years as The Scotsman's Washington correspondent, concedes the US versions often "aren't bad".
But he says their texture tends to resemble that of pate more than the haggis he grew up with in Scotland.
"Without the sheep's lung it's not authentic," he says. "It's too sausagey. It lacks the lightness the lungs help create."
Scottish politicians, eager to encourage both exports and tourism, have led efforts to overturn the ban. Holyrood's Rural Affairs Secretary Richard Lochhead has repeatedly lobbied Washington to reverse its policy.
As it stands, however, lungs are "considered an inedible item" in the US, says a spokesman for the Food Safety and Inspection Service.
And it would be difficult to argue that the US is currently clamouring for haggis on the shelves of its superstores. The market for Thurston's haggis - expat Scots, Burns enthusiasts and Highland games attendees - is passionate but somewhat niche.
A 2003 survey suggested that a third of US visitors to Scotland believed the haggis was an animal. Nearly a quarter thought they could catch one.
Even on Burns Night, getting Americans to eat the most Scottish of meals is no easy task, explains Paisley-born Jim Short, 76, who attends a Burns Supper in LaGrange, Georgia, organised by The Order of the Tartan, a local Scottish heritage society.
The majority of attendees are US-born, however, and out of deference to their palates, haggis is not served as the main course.
"We're lucky if some of them take more than a mouthful," laments Short, who once had three cans of tinned haggis confiscated by customs officials on arrival at Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson airport.
After the US-manufactured pudding is piped in and the Address is delivered, a helping is left in the centre of each table, for those brave enough to nibble on crackers. The main course might be beef, or cottage pie.
Of course, American culinary culture is far removed from Scotland's.
o Macsween, director of Edinburgh-based haggis manufacturer Macsween, observes that the US does not share the tradition of "nose to tail" cooking, in which no part of the animal is wasted.
"I think Americans tend to be bit fussier about their meat - they'd rather have steak and prime cuts," says Macsween, who briefly lived in Boston, Massachusetts, after leaving university.
But she notes that US visitors invariably sample haggis on trips to Scotland and are usually pleasantly surprised at the result.
For Massie, it is a "grotesque double standard" that French Andouille sausage - which traditionally comprises the intestines of a pig - is permitted on American shores and afforded culinary respectability while haggis is not.
He believes the answer lies in liberating haggis from the confines of the Burns Supper and celebrating it as a delicacy in its own right.
"Its qualities can be overshadowed by the pomp and ceremony of the event," he says. "But actually, it's a very fine dish."
If all else fails, he suggests, "it shouldn't be too difficult to organise a cross-border smuggling operation" to bring the authentic product to US palates.
It may be more difficult, however, to help Americans love what Burns fondly termed the "gushing entrails" of the indigenous haggis.
We're lucky if some of them take more than a mouthful”
Jim Short
LaGrange, Georgia
Quite. Vile concoction IMO.
Of course, American culinary culture is far removed from Scotland's.
.. hmm. dunno 'bout that, both seem to fry everything !
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/24 11:26:56
Subject: Burns Night
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Courageous Grand Master
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Considering that some of the people who signed the declaration of independance were Scots, you would think the US constitution would mention Haggis
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/24 14:08:00
Subject: Burns Night
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Considering that some of the people who signed the declaration of independance were Scots, you would think the US constitution would mention Haggis 
Being Scots they probably thought they had better includ free speach and guns but no govenment would be tyrannical enough to ban Haggis or Whisky.
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insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/24 14:12:06
Subject: Burns Night
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Considering that some of the people who signed the declaration of independance were Scots, you would think the US constitution would mention Haggis 
The oldest known haggis reciple that mentions it by name is from England
Personally I am a great fan of haggis but unfortunately my wife doesn't like it so I rarely get to have it.
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 10:04:52
Subject: Burns Night
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Courageous Grand Master
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Steve steveson wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Considering that some of the people who signed the declaration of independance were Scots, you would think the US constitution would mention Haggis 
Being Scots they probably thought they had better includ free speach and guns but no govenment would be tyrannical enough to ban Haggis or Whisky.
A well regulated meat supply shop and/or butchers, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and eat haggis, shall not be infringed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 12:11:12
Subject: Burns Night
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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Yeah, I love a bit of haggis. Has anyone ever had it battered? It's tremendous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 13:34:32
Subject: Burns Night
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Sadly not being Scottish I do not celebrate Burns' Night but I do like a Haggis and I will try to sneak one past the wife and into the shopping bag this weekend.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 13:51:14
Subject: Re:Burns Night
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Bane Knight
Inverness, Scotland.
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I was very nearly put off eating haggis, thanks to the Nick Nairn product which contained cornflake size chucks of goodness knows what; not like a normal haggis and not very appetising.
Anyway, it's a dish I find is best served with a whisky cream sauce and clapshot to elevate it above the pub-grub level.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 14:09:34
Subject: Burns Night
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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MacSweens is the one to buy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 17:09:27
Subject: Re:Burns Night
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Fixture of Dakka
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Well I think I may die...
So much Haggis. 0.0
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 19:31:11
Subject: Burns Night
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I saw a haggis in Morrison's recently but baulked at buying it. How do you cook the damn stuff? Hopefully, not boiling it like tripe; that stuff is rancid.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 19:35:09
Subject: Burns Night
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Bane Knight
Inverness, Scotland.
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You can boil it in its bag, oven cook it or just microwave it; either way seems to work just fine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 19:40:32
Subject: Burns Night
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Do all 3 and then deep fry it.
It's the only way to be sure!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 20:24:32
Subject: Burns Night
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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If you stay at a good Scottish hotel they will serve haggis as part of the breakfast.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/25 21:08:31
Subject: Burns Night
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filbert wrote:I saw a haggis in Morrison's recently but baulked at buying it. How do you cook the damn stuff? Hopefully, not boiling it like tripe; that stuff is rancid.
http://eatscotland.visitscotland.com/food-drink/scottish-food/cooking-a-haggis/
Serve with a good single malt. I recomend Laphroaig quater cask.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/26 00:48:49
Subject: Re:Burns Night
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yes but we also serve curry with buttered bread and tea as a breakfast here...
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