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As per topic. My friend says they don't because it doesn't list their arc of fire in the rulebook.

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Firing arcs only apply to vehicles, and the quad gun is not a vehicle. Like every non-vehicle model it has a 360* arc.

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 dnanoodle wrote:
As per topic. My friend says they don't because it doesn't list their arc of fire in the rulebook.

Theyre not a vehicle. They even have non-vehicle stat line, which is a big clue

You draw LOS from the model firing it.


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 Peregrine wrote:
Firing arcs only apply to vehicles, and the quad gun is not a vehicle. Like every non-vehicle model it has a 360* arc.

Wrong, it has the LOS of the model firing it.

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nosferatu1001 wrote:
Wrong, it has the LOS of the model firing it.


Firing arc and LOS are not the same thing.

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it has a 360 firing arc as others have said. all other shooting rules apply. Shoot it with a character to get called shots.

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 Peregrine wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
Wrong, it has the LOS of the model firing it.


Firing arc and LOS are not the same thing.

Infantry do not have fire arcs, only vehicles do
   
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i think your friend just wanted to cheese you.

If it doesnt have a front/side/rear armor value, its not a vehicle. Only vehicles have firing arcs, thus if he can see the target/is in range he can fire it regardless of which way its coming from.
Not to mention: the quad gun is on a turret. You arent suppose to glue that down to the box it sits on, it spins freely.

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nosferatu1001 wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
Wrong, it has the LOS of the model firing it.


Firing arc and LOS are not the same thing.

Infantry do not have fire arcs, only vehicles do


Sigh. That's what I said. If you're going to object to my answer could you at least take the time to read it first?

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Well, to be fair, you started off by saying firing arcs only apply to vehicles, and ended by saying that infantry have a arc of 360... Which completely contradicts itself.

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 Peregrine wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
Wrong, it has the LOS of the model firing it.


Firing arc and LOS are not the same thing.

Infantry do not have fire arcs, only vehicles do


Sigh. That's what I said. If you're going to object to my answer could you at least take the time to read it first?

No, that is NOT what you said. You said that Infantry have a 360 arc - when they do not have any arc, at all.

Did you even reread what you said?
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:
Wrong, it has the LOS of the model firing it.


Firing arc and LOS are not the same thing.

Infantry do not have fire arcs, only vehicles do


Sigh. That's what I said. If you're going to object to my answer could you at least take the time to read it first?

No, that is NOT what you said. You said that Infantry have a 360 arc - when they do not have any arc, at all.

Did you even reread what you said?


Sigh. Do we really have to waste time on nitpicking the fact that I didn't put the second 'arc' in quotes and make it explicit that it's being used in the normal language sense of "where can it shoot" and '360* arc' is just a shorter way of writing "infantry can shoot and see in any direction", not the specific rules sense of "where vehicles can shoot"? The meaning was perfectly clear:

Vehicles have limited firing arcs (sometimes limited to 360* in the horizontal plane) depending on the weapon type/location/etc.

Non-vehicle models have no such concept and can see and shoot in all directions.

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Sigh. Yes, when you get all uppity that someone corrected your incorrect usage then pointing out that you were wrong isnt exactly "nitpicking" ?

You made a mistake, and got annoyed when it was pointed out. Get over it
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
Sigh. Yes, when you get all uppity that someone corrected your incorrect usage then pointing out that you were wrong isnt exactly "nitpicking" ?

You made a mistake, and got annoyed when it was pointed out. Get over it


Go back to your original reply:

Wrong, it has the LOS of the model firing it.

That's a nonsense reply, and the nitpicking over "arc" was only added later because you couldn't just drop it and accept that you made a nonsense reply.

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.....enough. Apparently you are "that guy"

Really not worth it.
   
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