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While looking at some of the options I'll have in a Qapu Kalki sectorial (a lot!) I got to playing with a list including some of the stuff I really like - 4 man Druze shock fireteam, 3 woman Odalisque Haris, plus some Ghulam to fill out points, and my Al Hawwa sniper, because it's going everywhere.

However, this led me to having multiple combat groups, since I'll have 11 models. What's a good way to disperse combat groups in a sectorial, given that fire and Haris links tend to make orders a bit more flexible?

My initial list had the 4 Druze and 3 Odalisques in combat group 1, and the 3 Ghulam (including Lt) and Al Hawwa in the second, though shortage of orders seems like a concern.

Any irregulars?

Keep them in their own group.

Otherwise, if you're going to go two groups, go for more models in both. 11 in two groups is going to see you order starved whatever you do.

No irregulars.

Mostly its a bit weird because of the two fire teams. They make you a bit more order efficient, so I couldn't figure out if it would be better having both in one group to take advantage of that efficiency, or put onein each group and try to even them out with the cheerleaders.

I would probably have put one link in each group. Otherwise I'd feel like I couldn't spend enough orders on both links. Splitting them would make both equally efficient... and if I only had Ghulams and a Sniper in the other group, I'm just not sure what I would do with them.

I'll echo what the others said. Put 1 Link into 1 CG but try to get more models into each so you have more orders.

Have you thought about reducing your list by one unit, or swapping things around a bit (perhaps putting in more cannon-fodder type units) so the two groups are more justified?

I ended up playing with the list some more, and dropped two Ghulam for a doctor and some Nasmats.Keeps it in one combat group, but makes it a bit harder to play games with who my Lt is.

For that, may I suggest adding a Hafza Lt.? Make your list so that no one on your list can be a Lt. (except the hafza, which is disguised as a non-Lt. option), so it means any of your units is the Lt. Or do what I said, but leave out a sacrificial non-Lt. Ghulam and wait for your opponent to work on gunning for it, only to discover it's not the Lt.


edit: Didn't know the Druze is a Lt. option. Oh well. Still a valid tactic.


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QAPU KHALQI
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 10/Irrs: 2):

2x SHOCK Combi Rifle, D.E.P. / Pistol, CCW (21)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Linkable
X Visor

SHOCK Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, CCW (25 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Linkable
X Visor

SHOCK Hacker Combi Rifle / Pistol, CCW (33 | 0.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Linkable
X Visor, Hacking Device

ODALISQUE Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife (31 | 1)
MOV:4-4 CC:14 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Sixth Sense L2 | 360º Visor, I-khol L3, V: No Wound Incapacitation

ODALISQUE Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife (24)
MOV:4-4 CC:14 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Sixth Sense L2 | 360º Visor, I-khol L3, V: No Wound Incapacitation

ODALISQUE Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife (26 | 1)
MOV:4-4 CC:14 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Sixth Sense L2 | 360º Visor, I-khol L3, V: No Wound Incapacitation, Fireteam: Haris L1

HAFZA Lieutenant Spitfire / Pistol, Knife (23 | 1)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube, Linkable
Holoprojector L1, Lieutenant

HAWWA' Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife (29 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Camouflage, Infiltration

JANISSARY AP Rifle+ Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW (45)
MOV:4-2 CC:15 BS:13 PH:14 WIP:14 ARM:4 BTS:-3 W:2
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Religious Troop

2x YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW (11)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:9 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Irregular, Impetuous, No Cube
Booty, AD: Combat Jump


300 Points | SWC: 5.5

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Army Infinity v.3.0. - http://www.devilteam.com

I'm not really sure how no one has mentioned this before but... AFAIK you cannot have more than 1 link team unless you are a Tohaa or Aleph...

You can with Fireteam Haris. So Odalisques can do it.

And the Haris skill has been tipped to be brought to other factions as well to give more factions the ability to have smaller fire-teams...

I was thinking about this last night.

If I skip my TAG, I can probably fit a Fusilier link team of 5, 4 Auxilia and at least 5 other models.

Would the link team (thinking about 1 basic, 2 hmg, 1 lglauncher and 1 paramedic) be okay on its own, with the rest of the other models in a 9 orders group?

 heartserenade wrote:
You can with Fireteam Haris. So Odalisques can do it.

Thanks for the clearing up. Doesn't help that most of my opponents are Yu-Jing and Pan Oceania.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I was thinking about this last night.

If I skip my TAG, I can probably fit a Fusilier link team of 5, 4 Auxilia and at least 5 other models.

Would the link team (thinking about 1 basic, 2 hmg, 1 lglauncher and 1 paramedic) be okay on its own, with the rest of the other models in a 9 orders group?

5 orders for the link team wouldn't be too bad. Just don't forget you can't get a 5 man fusilier link team unless you go Neoterra

 heartserenade wrote:
For that, may I suggest adding a Hafza Lt.? Make your list so that no one on your list can be a Lt. (except the hafza, which is disguised as a non-Lt. option), so it means any of your units is the Lt. Or do what I said, but leave out a sacrificial non-Lt. Ghulam and wait for your opponent to work on gunning for it, only to discover it's not the Lt.

Not a fan of Hafzas. I mean, the rules and figs are awesome, but it means I usually need to buy duplicate other models to use them (eg a 4 man Druze team with a Hafza would require sourcing another Druze). Not to mention I'm trying to see how far I can stretch the models I already have, and including a Hafza is leaving out a model I've already bought. The QK like I thought up is just factoring in 2 boxes I was planning on buying anyway.

So for now, I'm leaving Hafzas off.

 Von Skyfury wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I was thinking about this last night.

If I skip my TAG, I can probably fit a Fusilier link team of 5, 4 Auxilia and at least 5 other models.

Would the link team (thinking about 1 basic, 2 hmg, 1 lglauncher and 1 paramedic) be okay on its own, with the rest of the other models in a 9 orders group?

5 orders for the link team wouldn't be too bad. Just don't forget you can't get a 5 man fusilier link team unless you go Neoterra

After seeing what Auxilia can do... I'd gladly give that list a try. There is still A TAG on it, even though it's not the Jotum, I could do a count-as if I ever want to try a link team, auxilia spam and TAG list.

 heartserenade wrote:
Not a fan of Hafzas. I mean, the rules and figs are awesome, but it means I usually need to buy duplicate other models to use them (eg a 4 man Druze team with a Hafza would require sourcing another Druze).

In that situation you're not gaining much from Holo1 and the Hafza is mainly there to get the Link up to full size. I'd just use the Hafza model if you've already got one.

 IJW wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
Not a fan of Hafzas. I mean, the rules and figs are awesome, but it means I usually need to buy duplicate other models to use them (eg a 4 man Druze team with a Hafza would require sourcing another Druze).

In that situation you're not gaining much from Holo1 and the Hafza is mainly there to get the Link up to full size. I'd just use the Hafza model if you've already got one.

I don't, and there's other models on my buy list ahead of them. Like the Druze and Odalisques. And Deadpo... I mean, Senior Massacre, just because.

Fair enough, I'd not registered that you didn't have them at all!

If you want to push the power of your amy over your oponent.

More Combat Groups means more miniatures.
More miniatures means more orders.
More orders means longer turns for you.

That is the competitive way of playing.

Don't go the 11 figures way, once you pass the 10 figures go to the 16 figures and have 2 Combat groups with 8 figures each.
New stuff like the Oznat with Hungries control device allow to do this so easily.
Kuang Shis are also an option.

Qapu Khalqi still has Ghulams. Also, Bashi Bazouks and Yuan Yuan are incredibly low cost.

Bashis and Yuan Yuans are irregular, though. I don't see how it would be beneficial to carry a lot of irregular troops.

 heartserenade wrote:
Bashis and Yuan Yuans are irregular, though. I don't see how it would be beneficial to carry a lot of irregular troops.

The thing with Irregular troop when they are AD troops is that it doesn't matter.
Para troopers will always spend their orders in attacking the enemy. They are not order providers, they are order spenders.

All existing para-troopers in the game could be irregular and the game wont change at all. Because you will always spend orders in those models. They won't be in the deployment zone waiting for their moment for attack, they will appear near the enemy and attack.

A Hassassin Ragik costs 30 points
A Bashi bazouk costs 17 points, you can even field a Ghulam with the difference. There you go: a paratrooper and a a regular order for the same price.
A Yuan Yuan costs 11 points!!! and they have smoke. If the guy lands safely he could throw smoke so the Djanbazan with HMG can kill lots of people!

What I mean with this is, that having low cost para troopers makes easier to build 2 combat groups army lists.

I actually just had a look at using a Hafza. It fits a bit of fluff I've been looking at for a Qapu Kalki force (spoilered for potentially boring).



Comes to 250pts and 4.5 SWC at 10 models. To carry across the rogue officer theme I'd use Husam with a Spitfire as a Hafza Lt with a Spitfire. Also lets me play the Lt shell game well since I can run him looking like an Odalisque, but either hide him in the Haris team or run him solo, and mix it up each game. I'll have enough spare Odalisques once I grab the box.