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If this keeps as good as within the last hours I am all in.
Warzon 1st edition is still one of my favourite rulesets. I even reused (in differnet ways) some of the design elements (alternate unit activation etc) in my Victory Decision game.

Just for old times sake...


I had a big Mishima and Capitol force,
see: http://adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html
the Capitol army is now sold and most of Mishima is also gone...

Time for new WZ forces!!!

Keep us informed!

Prodos wrote:
For those of you interested we have a like page and group on Facebook. Search on FB Warzone resurrection)
For those that aren't into FB don't worry we'll still post on here as well!

Thanks for this assurance!

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 Andrew1975 wrote:
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And please make martian banshees that look like this

Most of the 3rd ed remakes were really bad. With the exception of the Bauhaus dragoons and etolis mortant and a few others.

Amen to both!

1st edition Banshees were OK, but to get some faithful to the artwork would be great indeed!

(And yes I am still proud of my Banshees!!!)

Prodos wrote:
I wonder if the forth is to your liking. What's on your wish list?

Hmm, so Brotherhood Church, Dark Legion and Cybertronic is set. Great!

Next best for me: Mishima (my 1st army in 1st ed), then Capitol and Bauhaus (we all want Valerie back, or?).

As much as I dislike KS (If you are not behind your project and are willing to risk your money, do not start it!), it would make sense here!
I totally agree with robertsjf and judgedoug.

 chris_valera wrote:

Any gamer should take a trip through agis.de Warzone gallery.

Agreed!
See it here: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html
And you can still even buy some of them...
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49410.0

 chris_valera wrote:

I know everyone gives this guy a hard time because of the bases, but it really is a concern for me. I'd be much more likely to take up Warzone if I knew the bases were the same as GW, and I knew my Dark Legion figures could do double-duty as Chaos Cultists. It's hard getting people to make the switch. I know Dark Age and PP's stuff are on new bases, and that cool, and I like them too, but it's easier to get people to make the switch if they're on standard 25s.

For me too, not gamewise but from a simple matter of personal taste, I like the good old GW Slotta base style and flat coins/ washer style bases.
All the other weay too big bases are IMO only distracting from the mini it should only support...

 maxdamek wrote:
I hope that the new game is more similar to the first edition rather than the second.

Agreed! 1st edition was unbalanced but the most FUN!



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 Azazelx wrote:
Nice work. I can see using slightly bigger bases for the figures that are clearly oversized for 25mm bases (like the ..erm, whatever that thing is in my image above) or the Razides, Atillas, and various other figures. I'd think 25mm and 40mm rounds would be the way to go, though. I like the consistency across my figures.

IMO the use of "GW-style" 25 and 40mm bases would be indeed a clever move.
The above mentioned "double-duty" in other games should always be considered...

(That is also one of the reasons why my Victory Decision system is not tied to any type of basing...)

Prodos wrote:
Prodos Games are very please to announce the addition of Mr. Andy Hoare to the MC Warzone resurrection writing team. Andy is a massive Mutant Chronicles fan and has been battling in the Solar System since the early 90s.
Andy Hoare is a veteran of the tabletop wargaming industry having worked for Games Workshop, Wyrd, Architects of War, Mantic and others. He works as a freelance designer and author and lives in the Midlands in the UK, the spiritual home of the tabletop wargaming scene.

Great news, I always like Andy's writing style and rulebooks!!!
Welcome Andy!!! I still remember very nicely playtesting for you and Graham the Witchhunter Codex!

 agustin wrote:

I absolutely want to see this project succeed. ...

I think a lot of the Kickstarter specific criticism has been super constructive. As in that addressing real issues can help bring in more pledges from people who might be sitting on the fence.

My favorite thing about this new Warzone is that it is happening.

I am totally with Augustin on this one.
IMO the overall tone of this topic is friendly and constructive. Most really want WZ to succeed!

Let us keep it that way.
So Prodos: Jjust give us more info and a lot of the above discussions would not even arise (e.g "What are the cards doing?")

I just realised that AGAIN you have to have a Facebook account to go to the KS linked design forum!

Why so?
I honestly do not see much use in joining Facebook - and I presume I am not the only one - so why prohibit possible customers?

praetor24 wrote:
An update from the facebook forums. Undead Legionaries, production minis. Simply excellent!

Damn, now I have to pledge for Dark Legion, These Legionaries are just too good!
And they can even serve on double duty as generic SF Zs!!!


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Prodos wrote:

AAN we will have a forum on our website very soon: warzonegame.com
Until then we are using Facebook for this, and as I've said previously, we will continue posting on the interested forums everything posted on FB, unless some one else gets there first (which they often do )

Also I'm not sure we can or should link to the other forums for various different reasons!

Thanks for the good News!
...and I am not proposing to link from here, but maybe from the KS itself, or?



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 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Helmets, you may vote for any two from this pack at our Facebook, or just drop me PM.

1st and second row right corner, booth have a suitable WWI/ II ish feel and are Close enough to the original designs!


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Damn again, now they have me, just pledged at "The Razide" Level...

Also time to show an old Chronopia Stygian mini...


I am NOT into Fantasy gaming, but Chronpia was something Special...
OK, 'nuff distraction back on Topic!!!

Angelika is getting good.
At the moment I do not really like the whip and the pose itself.
She looks too relaxed, this mini would be well suited for a shopping mall walk, but as a hardened battlefield amazon?

So maybe a bit more action, and a wider stand?

 Ronin_eX wrote:
The originals are about half a head taller than a Terminator. The Kapitans (called Viktors in Ultimate Warzone) were larger still. Both were a bit wider than a Terminator as well. These new ones are supposed to be 65mm tall, so they will be even bigger. So not quite mecha sized, but definitely bigger than infantry powered armour.

Here is the version with the canopy. Reminds me of something you'd see in VOTOMS or Heavy Gear (which is perfect for dieselpunk really). Definitely building my first one like this:

My thought exactly- looks more and more like a Gear Krieg Valkyrie, or?



Do not get me wrong - I like that look! Nice touch to use the SdKfz 250 front, gets the WWII ish German look!

The Mishima Doomtrooper announcement made me increase my pledge to Dark Legion and more...

I always loved that mini, here is my old take on the even older mini:

 Octopussy wrote:
Damn that was nice. You got realy good painting skills. Show us more

Your wish is my command, see here:
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html

OK, I have read them and I am not really excited. Do not get me wrong I want this baby to succeed (I have already pledged on Dark Legion level…).
A lot of the rules seem to be a bit "old fashioned" and overly complex. Right now I would get the minis and play with another ruleset.
But this is the good thing here – BETA rules, we can give feedback!

OK, all the rest - just some proposals and questions on a strict "use or discard" base. And all by just reading not playing it, so not really qualified!

Layout – please remove the page backdrop, only wastes ink, makes the reading more difficult and is not adding anything since it is low res…

Bases measurement – To enforce a certain base on players is IMO a bad move. Just make all measurements from the centre of the base and include a CC-range. You can also declare the facing area. Done – and everyone can base the minis in any way they want.

What is the mini facing adding to the game? The situations were a facing for small models like infantry comes into play are very rare, so maybe drop the rule.

Cards mechanics – Well IMO too complex. Basically a game within a game. You are IMO opening a box of Pandora here. There are a lot of open ends too cover with future books/ FAQs…
I also fear that the gaming table is sooner or later cluttered with cards that are distracting from the minis!

Some questions:
How are resource cards looking? You have examples of Strategy, Gear and Tactical Cards, but no Res. Card. The only Res. Card I found are in the Card file, is this the only one? Do they all look alike?
Is flipping like tapping in MtG?
What are the symbols on the cards for?
Is Chess + World = Strategy
Chess = Tactical
Spanner = Gear? – Can’t be since the only Resource card has the same symbol!
What are the numbers on the cards for? Are this the number of res. points I have to pay to play the card?

How are Morale tests rounded? Up/ Down?

Do I get it right, that a player can activate all of his units in the battle Section? Or is the activation alternating between players?

brynolf wrote:
Yes, I don't understand the CCG accusation at all. These cards are not that different from the strategy cards in 40K 2nd ed or Fog of War cards in Tomorrow's war (IIRC).

For me it is more on the CCG site since I have to build a deck, I can tweak my deck and I have card playing rules (tapping resource cards, timing etc) that are very similar to CCGs.
IMO more than the games you mention.

But for me it basically boils down to "what I like when playing miniature games".
I like beautifully scenery and even more beautifully painted minis on the tabletop with as less gaming materials on the table as possible.

Marker, dice, cards - all distraction for me that has to be kept to a minimum.
And the rules as they are right now would force me to clutter the table with playing cards... (or use a second table)

In addition I found it very awkward right now to actually build a deck from the pdf provided. Just to get a reasonable number of resource cards I have to print the page with the res card many times over... :(
A good idea would a be a full pre-sorted deck to use right away.

Somehow the drum magazine of the Rifle is not looking right to me.
German Weapons did not use drum magazines, for me they always create a strong visual link to Soviet SMG armed WWII troops.

Oh yes, Laura is perfect!!!


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Warzone Resurrection Undead Legionnaire


I am really excited about the project, and being the old fan that I am I already pledged at Razide level!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection

Prodos Games was kind enough to send me 5 Undead Legionnaires. Here is what you get:


Crisp cast, high level resin parts. Enough to build 5 Legionnaires in many different poses. The material seems to be sturdy and is very light. Once assembled they look like this:


I needed just a little bit of greenstuff to smooth the shoulder parts. All the rest was more or less a perfect fit.
And the very 1st Warzone Resurrection Dark Legion mini painted. I used the 30 mm round lipped base Prodos asked me to use, IMO the base is a bit too big for the mini. While painting the mini I realised how detailed and realistic (OK, as much as a far future undead soldier can be) proportioned the mini is. The head and hands are really small when compared to other minis. The comparison shot below makes it evident.

From left to right: 1st Ed Warzone Mishima Samurai, current Undead Legionnaire prototype, Space Marine and Infinity trooper.

All in all I am very exited about the new range, I am very happy that I already pledged on this project. The bases are not really my thing and the mini is a bit on the small 28 mm side, maybe a slight upscaling before going into final production is recommended. Warzone as good as it gets!
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html

 kenshin620 wrote:
I for one quite like the under exaggerated proportions

Me too! Especially if you use the minis only together with other WZ Resurrection minis all will be fine!

madzerker wrote:
@ Agis. Nice job. One thing I was wondering was if you think a lot of detail was lost between the render to the model you painted. I know some digital sculpters have to make the render have deeper cuts are you can barely see the detail when it come out in the end. So what is your experience here now that you have painted it. Was it easy to paint or did you have to pain most of the detail on yourself?

If anything the model had more details before painting.
I honestly wold have preferred less Details, but I am strange in this part. I like to improve minis with my painting, but with minis like WZR it is a difficult Task...

Isoulle wrote:
Hmmm, she's a bit too stripperiffic for my tastes. It always annoys me when games do that sort of low class fan service

1st stripperiffic is a cool Phrase!

Anyway - I see the mini with a blue catsuit under the heavy armour plating, where is the skin???
In the eye of the beholder?

Another comparison: current Undead Legionnaire prototype and old (slightly converted) WZ Cybertronic Hero Vince Diamond

brynolf wrote:
Yeah, he was pretty big. And it looks like that conversion has longer legs than the original?

Yup, I always thought that the original sculpt had to short legs...

...next one finished:


and together with the 1st Legionnaire:


I am liking these guys more and more!

Very good painted mini, but the mini itself looks more like Warmachine than Cybertronic to me.
I prefer ALL of the other Cybertronic designs shown!

Finished the 5 Undead Legionairres:

(Blurry old Mishima Hatamoto in the foreground)

and with less distracting backdrop:


more: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html

 Kroothawk wrote:

Prodos wrote:
The first of the £90k Stretched Goals: The Capitol MegaCorporation's Martian Banshees. The other four units will be released each day from tomorrow.
And Mitch and his dog, Pride are released.

I don't think, you and me have the same understanding of the word "released"

LOL, exactly my 1st thought after reading it!

RoninXiC wrote:
Uh... playing starcraft a little bit too much?
Still not a bad mini

Absolutely NOT, the original Golgothat dated way BEFORE Starcraft!!!


BTW - She needs less clothing, a more demonic face and more "up front" to be closer to the original IMO.
To "nice" right now.

I really like the Orca and the Sharks, I may have to go for Capitol again!