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 NAVARRO wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

15th Feb... and your eyes will hurt, as mines already...

That's the spirit. We will talk on the 15th then.

To make it clear I really wish you and all new mini companies projects all the best of luck... I just find that with the Kickstarters trends of lots of concepts and no minis and also some new and old companies selling stuff just based on 3d renders kind of anti climax for someone who just wants to buy minis by actually looking at minis.

Isn't that the nature of Kickstarters? They want to collect money to be able to make the minis. Making the mini and then coming short on the kickstarter looks risky. My problem with Kickstarters is what happens when somebody just takes the money and doesn't deliver anything.

Anyway pretty stoked about Warzone. Only thing that comes close to 40k fluffwise.

I'll be pleased to see miniatures, but the one we've seen so far looks pretty amazing so far (no soft detail to my eye - organic maybe, soft no).

Look forward to more though!

Laney

Varrak wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

15th Feb... and your eyes will hurt, as mines already...

That's the spirit. We will talk on the 15th then.

To make it clear I really wish you and all new mini companies projects all the best of luck... I just find that with the Kickstarters trends of lots of concepts and no minis and also some new and old companies selling stuff just based on 3d renders kind of anti climax for someone who just wants to buy minis by actually looking at minis.

Isn't that the nature of Kickstarters? They want to collect money to be able to make the minis. Making the mini and then coming short on the kickstarter looks risky. My problem with Kickstarters is what happens when somebody just takes the money and doesn't deliver anything.

Anyway pretty stoked about Warzone. Only thing that comes close to 40k fluffwise.

You missed the point.
There is a trend growing more each day in this industry to the point that established companies no longer even paint their minis or take pics of them... just a render and to the store shelf it goes... If it's justifiable or not on KS's isnt what I'm talking about here.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, now I kinda hope the preview head makes it to release, because it will allow me to do this

HMV:your version of Atilla is way better and closer to original. They should use it instead of theirs.

Rainbow Dash wrote:I remember having Siege of the Citadel as a kid, it was the first miniature game I ever owned... I'd like to track down a copy again lol

Loved that game but never picked it up, had Fury of the Clansmen and Blood Berets...sigh!

agustin wrote:I just dug all my old Mutant Chronicles RPG books out of storage.

Time for an appropriate avatar.

Well it's a good thing the Mutant Chronicles RPG is coming back then! http://www.modiphius.com/mutant-chronicles.html We're working with the PRODOS guys so it's going to be a fantastic journey!

 NAVARRO wrote:

Varrak wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

15th Feb... and your eyes will hurt, as mines already...

That's the spirit. We will talk on the 15th then.

To make it clear I really wish you and all new mini companies projects all the best of luck... I just find that with the Kickstarters trends of lots of concepts and no minis and also some new and old companies selling stuff just based on 3d renders kind of anti climax for someone who just wants to buy minis by actually looking at minis.

Isn't that the nature of Kickstarters? They want to collect money to be able to make the minis. Making the mini and then coming short on the kickstarter looks risky. My problem with Kickstarters is what happens when somebody just takes the money and doesn't deliver anything.

Anyway pretty stoked about Warzone. Only thing that comes close to 40k fluffwise.

You missed the point.
There is a trend growing more each day in this industry to the point that established companies no longer even paint their minis or take pics of them... just a render and to the store shelf it goes... If it's justifiable or not on KS's isnt what I'm talking about here.

you see, as long as 3D print is perfect there is no issues with final model quality, that is the beauty of resin cast...
and 3D - even test ones, looks awesome, pic below its again only LOW RES quality, wait for hight quality resin ....





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 modiphius wrote:

Rainbow Dash wrote:I remember having Siege of the Citadel as a kid, it was the first miniature game I ever owned... I'd like to track down a copy again lol

Loved that game but never picked it up, had Fury of the Clansmen and Blood Berets...sigh!

agustin wrote:I just dug all my old Mutant Chronicles RPG books out of storage.

Time for an appropriate avatar.

Well it's a good thing the Mutant Chronicles RPG is coming back then! http://www.modiphius.com/mutant-chronicles.html We're working with the PRODOS guys so it's going to be a fantastic journey!

))))

If that's the low resolution 3d print I can't wait to the see the final version.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Guess it's my 40k baggage, but I'm not sure why would plasma be less damaging against Light armour than against Heavy. Or why would Bio get a bonus against piercing. Then again, as long as it makes sense in terms of game balance, I won't mind it.

Balance reasons, but there is a logic in that madness:

Piercing ammo does less damage to flesh, they are design to go through armour,so hard core/tip, where normal ammo is design to "spin" and deform once target is hit
Plasma, does not have hit force, but is perfect to melt down metal armour pieces, where Bio is more like Carapace armour...
blast, well, Light armour only covers fragile pieces of body where heavy is more like exoskeleton type armour/full coverage/full plate.

Anyway MAIN reason is balance.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

you see, as long as 3D print is perfect there is no issues with final model quality, that is the beauty of resin cast...
and 3D - even test ones, looks awesome, pic below its again only LOW RES quality, wait for hight quality resin ....





[))

Looking good, keep posting shiny minis mate For me this last pic even without head etc is much more revealing than all the concepts on this thread.

Keep them coming.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

you see, as long as 3D print is perfect there is no issues with final model quality, that is the beauty of resin cast...
and 3D - even test ones, looks awesome, pic below its again only LOW RES quality, wait for hight quality resin ....





[))

Looking good, keep posting shiny minis mate For me this last pic even without head etc is much more revealing than all the concepts on this thread.

Keep them coming.

There is much more to come :]

I think its time that GW starts getting worried again......

 NAVARRO wrote:

Varrak wrote:
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Isn't that the nature of Kickstarters? They want to collect money to be able to make the minis. Making the mini and then coming short on the kickstarter looks risky. My problem with Kickstarters is what happens when somebody just takes the money and doesn't deliver anything.

Anyway pretty stoked about Warzone. Only thing that comes close to 40k fluffwise.

You missed the point.
There is a trend growing more each day in this industry to the point that established companies no longer even paint their minis or take pics of them... just a render and to the store shelf it goes... If it's justifiable or not on KS's isnt what I'm talking about here.

Most companies still get their miniatures painted. A render is just quite easy to put on the net and is available way before a company even got their hands on a figure, let alone paint it. I get your point to a degree, but will all the 3D printing I'm guessing you'll see a lot of renders. A good company follows up with splendidly painted figures.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Guess it's my 40k baggage, but I'm not sure why would plasma be less damaging against Light armour than against Heavy. Or why would Bio get a bonus against piercing. Then again, as long as it makes sense in terms of game balance, I won't mind it.

Light armor's easire to peel off when it starts to melt? Bio has redundant systems that make AP less effective as it just punches a small area?

But looking at the chart, I'm going with game balance as primary motivator

edit: responded to post before reading entire thread. Warzone Resurrection confirmed

robertsjf wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Guess it's my 40k baggage, but I'm not sure why would plasma be less damaging against Light armour than against Heavy. Or why would Bio get a bonus against piercing. Then again, as long as it makes sense in terms of game balance, I won't mind it.

Light armor's easire to peel off when it starts to melt? Bio has redundant systems that make AP less effective as it just punches a small area?

But looking at the chart, I'm going with game balance as primary motivator

edit: responded to post before reading entire thread. Warzone Resurrection confirmed

as my previous post :

Balance reasons, but there is a logic in that madness:

Piercing ammo does less damage to flesh, they are design to go through armour,so hard core/tip, where normal ammo is design to "spin" and deform once target is hit
Plasma, does not have hit force, but is perfect to melt down metal armour pieces, where Bio is more like Carapace armour...
blast, well, Light armour only covers fragile pieces of body where heavy is more like exoskeleton type armour/full coverage/full plate.

Anyway MAIN reason is balance.

 Nick Ellingworth wrote:
If that's the low resolution 3d print I can't wait to the see the final version.

I don't know that I would call that a LOW RES, it was likely run on a prefactory multi-mini.

There is a setting to increase the smoothness of the surface, but at these scales with the naked eye, you will not see a difference. It is only when you view the print under macro/magnification that you will notice the higher setting at all.

Very very cool! Plus Mutant Chronicles RPG returning WOOT! I was only just looking through old Mutant Chronicles (good times!)

BTW you official folks should add a link to your website in your sig, maybe adding a fancy banner.

Hmm, those look like zombied warrior Legionnaires, oh to see Warzone back on sale with these better minis

Oh man, they're re-doing Warzone?! *drool* This is the game that gave GW a run for its money back in the tail end of 40K2. At the time it was THE alternative to a then-aging and creaky Warhammer 40K second edition ruleset, and for a while gave second edition Warhammer 40,000 a run for it's money. The first edition of the game was quite unbalanced, some factions were obviously better then others.

There's enough plastics available that if they make a sprue of core infantry available for every faction, and keep the old sprues in production, this game has a real chance of being a winner. If they make a sprue of Undead Legionnaires, which is what the render looks like, I'll be all over this. If some of the vehciles actually had kits to go with them, it would be a surefire success.

Any gamer should take a trip through agis.de Warzone gallery.

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:

Warzone Resurrection wrote:........yes, but you will get this:

Now don't get me wrong. The renders look cool but it ain't Dark Legion Undead Legionnaires, it's the generic biotech zombies from any sci-fi fps-game from the last decade holding Kratach rifles. This is like putting a boltgan in a spartanesque (as in Halo-spartans) armoured dudes hands ( who got slightly rounded shoulder-pads) and call it a space marine. This is exploiting an IP to sell something that in all aspects seems to be something new and just leave some "tokens of gratitude" (like the Kratach rifles or the profile of some shoulder-armor) to please the crowd. I ain't buying it.

I loves the new concept art. If they can make a plastic frame of those guys, preferably with swappable heads and weapons, I think they have a winner. To be honest, a lot of the old stuff hasn't aged well, both art and models. It really does need an update and generic bio-zombies are as good as any.

 Azazelx wrote:

Hello from the 1990's!

Don't knock this, this figure rules. Easily equal to the old Necromunda Plague Zombies and compares well to what's out today.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Look I'm not saying that they are doomed if they use different sized bases. I'm just saying that it probably behooves them to keep them standard. It's all going to come down to the miniatures and the sculpts, I'm not even that concerned about the rules. You can always sell miniatures without rules, and the warzone rules were pretty good, with some exceptions. The last few times warzone failed has been because of bad (inconsistent may be a better word, as some of their minis were pretty good) miniatures, if you make good miniatures there are people that are going to buy them and use them for whatever they want. I really think that is going to have to be their strength. The basing issue is small but it will still be an issue for some people, especially people relatively new to the hobby, have 40k armies and want to be able to use their miniatures in both games. If you make people choose, especially newbies, they are going to choose what is popular, easy and guaranteed.

I know everyone gives this guy a hard time because of the bases, but it really is a concern for me. I'd be much more likely to take up Warzone if I knew the bases were the same as GW, and I knew my Dark Legion figures could do double-duty as Chaos Cultists. It's hard getting people to make the switch. I know Dark Age and PP's stuff are on new bases, and that cool, and I like them too, but it's easier to get people to make the switch if they're on standard 25s

 agustin wrote:
I don't think silly proportions in either sculpting or equipment size is going to work as well today as it did in the 90s. If everyone wanted the miniatures as they were back then, Prince Augst would be swamped with orders and the game would be back in distribution.

Like it or not, this is going to involve a re-imaging for 2013 rather than just rereleasing of models from 15+ years ago.

I have to agree. I like the new bio-tech zombie guys. Much better than the old plastics that came with the board gamea.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
I think one of the problems with warzone was that they had to make so many miniatures lines, that were very similar. Take for example, Capital. They had light troops, heavy troops, free marines, sea lions, scorpions, sunset strikers and martian banshees just to name a few. That is a hell of a lot of lines to produce and keep track of, and that's just the infantry, for one army! These were all pretty much the same miniatures wise, they basically just had some minor but distinct differences, mostly helmet and equipment swaps, sometimes different shoulderpads and grieves. Which was fine as troops from each faction should have a vary similar aesthetic.

Instead of making a bunch of individual sculpts just make a good multipose plastic kit or two with all the options and gribbles. It would save tons of development and production costs, plus you have economy of scale working for you. You also have the whole line launched basically at once instead of people having to wait years for each factions 10 different sets of infantry.

This is a good idea. It should be like the Night Goblins sprue, with spears, hand weapons and bows. They had way too many troop types. They should have one core infantry type for each faction, preferably with all the options

 kenshin620 wrote:
Pic for the lazy

This looks amazingly good,

 Capamaru wrote:
Forgive me for saying this here but I wish they would revive chronopia too .

There was a chronopia figure of an evil guy riding a giant fly, if they redid that figure, in plastic, and made it larger, like a 40 or 50mm base, I would collect entire units of them

 Octopussy wrote:
The two best selling fractions was Bauhaus and Imperial, feels amazingly stupid not to include them at launch.

They had plastics. If they made a second unit in plastic with this new run, and kept the old plastic in production, it would give them a marked advantage in the market.

 Octopussy wrote:
This project is like made ​​for Kickstarter, many old fans who can back it. Hope you post a link to the KS on the 15th

A kickstarteer would indeed be awesome. Make it small, not huge like the Gates of Antares kickstarter that is clearly going to fail. Just one kickstarter for each infantry or vehicle type.

 Ronin_eX wrote:


Looks like they posted the full mockup. Still unsure whether the gun is a re-design (definitely big enough for a Nazgaroth from this angle). And looks like the pants are just a loincloth (should help break up the model and add a bit of contrast to it).

Aw dude, this is a must purchase for me. Not only can I use it for Warzone, but with some conversion it can be a Adeptus Mechanicus Ogryn with an Ogryn/Ogre head, a chaos Ogryn, a Big Mutant in Lost and the Damned...

Looking forward to development....

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Hello from the 1990's!

Don't knock this, this figure rules. Easily equal to the old Necromunda Plague Zombies and compares well to what's out today.

Not knocking it, mate. It's one of mine!

I've got a few others worth sharing, once I dig them out and find them...

 chris_valera wrote:

Any gamer should take a trip through agis.de Warzone gallery.

Agreed!
See it here: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html
And you can still even buy some of them...
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49410.0

 chris_valera wrote:

I know everyone gives this guy a hard time because of the bases, but it really is a concern for me. I'd be much more likely to take up Warzone if I knew the bases were the same as GW, and I knew my Dark Legion figures could do double-duty as Chaos Cultists. It's hard getting people to make the switch. I know Dark Age and PP's stuff are on new bases, and that cool, and I like them too, but it's easier to get people to make the switch if they're on standard 25s.

For me too, not gamewise but from a simple matter of personal taste, I like the good old GW Slotta base style and flat coins/ washer style bases.
All the other weay too big bases are IMO only distracting from the mini it should only support...

Nice work. I can see using slightly bigger bases for the figures that are clearly oversized for 25mm bases (like the ..erm, whatever that thing is in my image above) or the Razides, Atillas, and various other figures. I'd think 25mm and 40mm rounds would be the way to go, though. I like the consistency across my figures.

I hope that the new game is more similar to the first edition rather than the second.

 maxdamek wrote:
I hope that the new game is more similar to the first edition rather than the second.

Agreed! 1st edition was unbalanced but the most FUN!



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 Azazelx wrote:
Nice work. I can see using slightly bigger bases for the figures that are clearly oversized for 25mm bases (like the ..erm, whatever that thing is in my image above) or the Razides, Atillas, and various other figures. I'd think 25mm and 40mm rounds would be the way to go, though. I like the consistency across my figures.

IMO the use of "GW-style" 25 and 40mm bases would be indeed a clever move.
The above mentioned "double-duty" in other games should always be considered...

(That is also one of the reasons why my Victory Decision system is not tied to any type of basing...)

I dfo miss my old 50+ Bauhaus force, my Brotherhood army was getting good sized and I had some nice Dark Soul forces, and my capitolian marines had tattoos and names, Cybertronic was painted "Robo-cop blue/silver" and my Imperials were well set as airborne for the red berets I had. Trenchers were all drabbed. I even had some Mishima troops. Now I can try again with revised minis!

Prodos Games are very please to announce the addition of Mr. Andy Hoare to the MC Warzone resurrection writing team. Andy is a massive Mutant Chronicles fan and has been battling in the Solar System since the early 90s.

Andy Hoare is a veteran of the tabletop wargaming industry having worked for Games Workshop, Wyrd, Architects of War, Mantic and others. He works as a freelance designer and author and lives in the Midlands in the UK, the spiritual home of the tabletop wargaming scene.

i have memories of myself as a child amazed by the Venusian Rangers helmets and by the mysterious planet Nero... guys, thank you so much for this

anyway, any chance to have venusians in the first wave?

Warzone is back! Amazing! I´m one of the few WZ players here in Spain, and everyone in my gaming group is really excited! The new miniatures look incredible and I hope every faction will be redone, because some of the old miniatures aren´t very good. I think it´s great news that a great game system comes back from the (almost) death. Is all the information going to be released on 15th? I mean, the first factions, the release dates of miniatures and rulebook, etc...


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I think the addiction of Mr Hoare is great. I love his work with the Witch Hunters Codex and Cities of Death.

Prodos Games are very please to announce the addition of Mr. Andy Hoare to our writing team. Andy is a massive Mutant Chronicles fan and has been battling in the Solar System since the early 90s.

Andy Hoare is a veteran of the tabletop wargaming industry having worked for Games Workshop, Wyrd, Architects of War, Mantic and others. He works as a freelance designer and author and lives in the Midlands in the UK, the spiritual home of the tabletop wargaming scene.

A good and sensible move there.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

you see, as long as 3D print is perfect there is no issues with final model quality, that is the beauty of resin cast...
and 3D - even test ones, looks awesome, pic below its again only LOW RES quality, wait for hight quality resin ....

What kind of printer are you using and at what settings for this 'low quality' print? And what settings will the high quality be printed at? You folks have your own 3D printer or are you using a third party? (If so who?)

What I've seen from Shapeways and Ultra Frosted detail is that the print lines are still noticeable and if there is another commercial 3D print outfit (especially in the EU) that does a better job then Shapeways, I'm really interested.


And you guys (girls?) mentioned plastic minis. What kind of plastic are we talking about, the kind that can be glued with plastic glue or do we still need superglue?