Mutant Chronicles (R) Warzone Resurrection

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**Prodos**

Check out the Facebook page 'Warzone Resurrection', you'll see the first new gun off the production line!!

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There will indeed be a Website based forum!
The website will go live on the 15th Feb
www.warzonegame.com

**Prodos**

Andrew1975 wrote: ''The miniatures are key. I can tell you that unless the Bauhaus minis are really good, you are not going to sell any! The market is already flooded with the old plastics and unless the new ones are really good, here is what people will use for them. ''

Andrew you are right! For me I feel that it is important to use the images and themes that are part of the cannon of WZ, but use cutting edge technology to make a miniature that acurately mirrors whats there. Think LOTR films, they were very faithfully to the book and hence the trilogy was a massive hit. Their problem now with the Hobbit is they have got too cocky and greedy and diverged too much from the book, hence the luke-warm reaction from the fan base. We have learnt from such reactions (and feel them ourselves). Prodos Gamesltd mission is to make cutting edge and amazing miniatures faithful to the cannon of mutant chronicles. If it wasn't though we would have been mad to aquire the licence. I hope that helps. These are very exciting times. Give us a chance and I think you will be very plesantly suprised. We aren't trying to be like anyone else, or steal their business. We want people to buy because they love what we are doing, in a great rich and absorbing concept universe of the MC IP.

**Prodos**

Guys, I just wanted to say that although Andrew brings up some interesting points on models regarding producing them to be played in the systems of others. We want to produce models for warzone primarily and hence have a warzone game too. Consider this, everyone can buy cheap models from garage manufacturers at a fraction of the cost they can from the people that designed the game (and invested significantly in it)! Taking this to the extreme why even buy models, use 1 cent coins or tokens, that will save lots of money. If we as a gaming community want just 1 big company and a lot of ripoff companies then Andrews approach is right. But if you want rules and a game system to enjoy from us, the big guys or any of the small companies cherish them (obviously assuming you feel you are getting value for money)

Prodos doesn't want to be a rip off company, instead a company that makes amazing models of amazing quality that have the Warzone feel but for the 21st century. They will be priced appropriately (again you can probably buy knock of Jack Daniels if you want) but again not to rip the customer off (where's the business sense in that). If people want to use tokens and pirated rules I'm sure they will and good luck to them. As gamers ourselves, Prodos would rather play great games with awesome miniatures

Lots more to come, we hope you enjoy them all! We are!

**Prodos**

You may have seen [bits of] them already on this forum or the facebook like page or forum group!!!!

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praetor24 wrote:
Prodos wrote:
You may have seen [bits of] them already on this forum or the facebook like page or forum group!!!!

I have indeed, but I was hoping for some renders instead of just bits and concept art. What if I ask nicely? Please?

Soon!

**Prodos**

For those of you interested we have a like page and group on Facebook. Search on FB Warzone resurrection)
For those that aren't into FB don't worry we'll still post on here as well!

**Prodos**

AAN wrote

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Kroothawk wrote:
Seems like 3 of the 4 starter factions are ones that I have no interest in: Brotherhood Church, Dark Legion and Cybertronic. So I have to wait for the fourth.

I wonder if the forth is to your liking. What's on your wish list?

**Prodos**

Kroothawk wrote:
Prodos wrote:
I wonder if the forth is to your liking. What's on your wish list?

Imperials. Plus some units from Capitol (Light Infantry, Rangers, Sharks) and to a lesser extent Mishima.
But with my luck, the fourth will be Bauhaus.

Well I can tell you that 2 of your favourites are also my personal favourites. But as for the 4th release I'm sworn to secrecy (for the moment at least)!

**Prodos**

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Prodos Games are very please to announce the addition of Mr. Andy Hoare to the MC Warzone resurrection writing team. Andy is a massive Mutant Chronicles fan and has been battling in the Solar System since the early 90s.

Andy Hoare is a veteran of the tabletop wargaming industry having worked for Games Workshop, Wyrd, Architects of War, Mantic and others. He works as a freelance designer and author and lives in the Midlands in the UK, the spiritual home of the tabletop wargaming scene.

**Prodos**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, I just shipped my set of concept sketches for Prodos. Chances are, at least some of those will be shown on Friday, when the big reveal hits, so now I'm all twitchy to see if die hard Warzone fans accept my updates.

Well I have to say they are awesome and yes they will be part of tomorrow showing. Welcome to the 'twitchy' club. Until midnight GMT

**Prodos**

AAN wrote:
I just realised that AGAIN you have to have a Facebook account to go to the KS linked design forum!

Why so?
I honestly do not see much use in joining Facebook - and I presume I am not the only one - so why prohibit possible customers?

AAN we will have a forum on our website very soon: warzonegame.com
Until then we are using Facebook for this, and as I've said previously, we will continue posting on the interested forums everything posted on FB, unless some one else gets there first (which they often do

)

Also I'm not sure we can or should link to the other forums for various different reasons!

**Prodos**

pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

And heres what I actually wrote: 'Mark, you've got 59 days and obviously it will be clearer, but have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some) the 249 pledge already has £50 ish worth of saving!'

So in other words, if you choose to pledge at £250 you will be saving £50 on RRP AND as Kickstarter progresses (over the next 59 days) there will be some extra extras and freebies (other than those listed in the streched goals).

**Prodos**

madzerker wrote:
I like the new bauhaus walker much better, and am also happy to see you mention thigh and cod armour and the hussar. Should make a huge difference for me at least. Love the rest of the models so far, just hoping to see some add on shouder pads and helmets to make the legioneers show their corporate roots

I can confirm that WILL happen if we can make in plastic (kickstarter stretch goal of £70k).

**Prodos**

Octopussy wrote:
Two questions to Prodos.

1. Will the Hussars have a head option without masks?

2. Will it be possible to buy Dominic and the Vulkan Battlesuit separate on Kickstarter

1 hopefully
2 yes NB we need to get to the KS goal to fund bauhaus

**Prodos**

KICKSTARTER UPDATE: A big thank you to everyone that has contributed so far. We are doing well. Various people have asked for PDF Basic Rules for all pledge levels....it's yours! PDF BASIC RULES WILL BE SEND TO ALL PLEDGERS

**Prodos**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'll open the betting right now and say the new Bauhaus unit will be Etoiles Mortants.

Not wishlisting aaaaaaaaat all.

I hope you didn't take too many bets!!

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**Prodos**

brynolf wrote:
What does "special price" mean? Do we get the stuff £1 cheaper during the KS? Or will the final RRP go down by £1?

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Oh, and like I said: All-female Etoiles Mortants is dumb. Please don't do it

The Kickstarter price will be for example £X and the RRP after Kickstarter will be £X.99

**Prodos**

Well its obviously clear what Andrew1975 is hoping for with his continuous negativity!

For those of you that want this to succeed we have just reached the 150% of target pledge. As a thankyou something extra is coming very soon!

(BTW Prodos see 150% of target in less than 10 days as a big success). We already have Bauhaus, new characters, new dice and new units. And lots more to come!

**Prodos**

RatBot wrote:
I should think, by definition, reaching the goal amount means success for the kickstarter at least, and that anything beyond that is...well, bigger success.

Of course, that doesn't mean the game itself will automagically be successful, too, but so far I quite like the minis, I'm interested in the card bit after watching the video, and... well, we'll just have to wait to see the rules.

Agreed! Completely!

**Prodos**

As a big thank you to all pledgers (old or new) and to celebrate making 150% of our stretched goal. All pledgers of 'Razide' level or above will recieve this fellow for free. He is very limited edition and will only be available on Kicksarter (for the next 52 days). If you want to buy more copies please add £4 per copy to your pledge.

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**Prodos**

The beta basic rules will be released at midnight tonight GMT UK time on Kickstarter in English in PDF format! All you will need is 12 or so minis per side, a tape measure, a D20, and some scissors.

**Prodos**

praetor24 wrote:
c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
praetor24 wrote:
Will we also be seeing any painted minis any time soon? Or even better renders for the minis still on concept art?

I can agree on that one, I'd rather see renders than painted minis (which we'll see soon enough anyhow, can't be long since worthy painting have been working on some minis for over a week AFAIK).

What keeps me from throwing another 42 quid on this KS is that I am waiting to see how the renders of the Armoured Chasseurs and Machinators will end up like.

@Prodos: What could help us understand what to expect from the renders of the upcoming units is to show a comparison of comparison of concept art and renders of the units already ready. E.g. how the Brotherhood troopers looked like when first drawn.

Hi Praetor24. The units and characters that have been released as a result of meeting the stretched goals were put into the 3D render pipleline as soon as they were released. As such these will start feeding through over the next few days.

Those that have not met the stretched goals have not been put into 3D render production yet, but as soon as they are released they will be. (unlike some suggestions here and elsewhere, we are not using KS as a preorder service, but instead to speed up our pipeline).

We have various individuals and companies working on painted models at the moment and more starting soon as soon as we have them to show we will do.

Let me know if you need any further information

**Prodos**

praetor24 wrote:
Prodos wrote:
praetor24 wrote:
c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
praetor24 wrote:
Will we also be seeing any painted minis any time soon? Or even better renders for the minis still on concept art?

I can agree on that one, I'd rather see renders than painted minis (which we'll see soon enough anyhow, can't be long since worthy painting have been working on some minis for over a week AFAIK).

What keeps me from throwing another 42 quid on this KS is that I am waiting to see how the renders of the Armoured Chasseurs and Machinators will end up like.

@Prodos: What could help us understand what to expect from the renders of the upcoming units is to show a comparison of comparison of concept art and renders of the units already ready. E.g. how the Brotherhood troopers looked like when first drawn.

Hi Praetor24. The units and characters that have been released as a result of meeting the stretched goals were put into the 3D render pipleline as soon as they were released. As such these will start feeding through over the next few days.

Those that have not met the stretched goals have not been put into 3D render production yet, but as soon as they are released they will be. (unlike some suggestions here and elsewhere, we are not using KS as a preorder service, but instead to speed up our pipeline).

We have various individuals and companies working on painted models at the moment and more starting soon as soon as we have them to show we will do.

Let me know if you need any further information

If I need further info? I feel so spoiled by the way you treat us guys! Thanks a lot for the amazing comms and excuse us, if we pester you from time to time to show more. Addicted people are not good in decision making or expressing lucid opinions

But if I may take advantage of your willingness to provide more info, do you think that you could show us some side-to-side pictures of concept art and renders? It will be nice to see how for example the Brotherhood troopers started before ending up in what we see now. In this way, we can get an idea of how accurate the renders of the not-ready-yet-units will be to their concept art.

That might take a bit of time, but we'll do our best!

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Hulksmash wrote:
@Prodos

Were the original 3 starters set to be released in the near future?

If the answer is yes then this is a glorified pre-order. You might be using those pre-order funds to get the ball rolling on additional items but the people initially putting in were putting in on models that were going to be released anyway. Pre-Order.....

Nothing wrong with it but you should accept that you are using it as a pre-order.

Mr Smash

Ok let me ask you this, if we had only offered the Bauhaus starter (and stretched goals) on the KS how many people would have demanded or wanted to pledge for the other 3 sets?

If we class those three as pre-order, then taking into account the 10 items that KS has allowed us to do thus far, those 3 equate to less to 23%.
(the % number here does not include the rule/background book, KR multicase, WP Painting, the newly released doomtrooper, the tShirt or the 6" model)
When more is released (assuming it is), the 3 starter percentage will drop.

Even if we weight the product offered on price and include all offered in this KS I think we will find the 3 starters (to be launched in June and already covered) equate to relatively small percentage.

**Prodos**

Hulksmash wrote:
@Prodos

You can try and fancy it up but you had a product ready to go to market that people are paying to get before you release it. That's a pre-order. There is nothing wrong with this.

Pre-orders do several things for a business. Primarily they give an estimate of potential sales but they also produce revenue for a company for future product by reducing the down time between release and recouping investments more swiftly. Allowing said company to re-invest it in new products (among other things).

That is what you are using this for. Basically your successive "releases" due to stretch goals are creating new pre-orders and thus doing the above. The product is already going to go to market. This isn't to launch a new business. It's to speed up your production by selling things earlier that you were going to release anyway whether it be in June/July or next year (Bauhaus if you hadn't succeeded in pre-selling enough other product) doesn't change the basic facts.

And you guys seem seriously resistant to advice that has produced solid results from companies doing even more to bring a new product to market than you are.

My only real beef is costing American Backers more money to kickstart than to wait for retail. I like the concepts and the models already procuded. I have some ideas for them when they go retail. But I didn't play Warzone a couple decades ago. I'm not nostalgic. I am like many, many gamers out and you're completely missing that market. Not to mention not generating the hype you could to have an instant large gaming base by taking this thing big. But it's your playground though the condescending tone to people offering solid and proven advice is a little annoying.

No one here is asking for insane amount of free stuff. All they are asking for is a reason to invest in your product outside of charity which it isn't cause I can't write off the additional cost of the models via the kickstarter vs. retail.

I'm sorry for any misunderstanding, but let me clarify the current discounts anyone outside UK currently gets including the US.

Lets take Dark Legion: 3 Starter boxes of your choice and Special Edition Signed Rules and Background Book plus at this point a character of your choice (£7) and a free mini (£4) plus £12 P&P
Normally that haul would retail at £147 (plus the fact the £4 is not available after and the rule book is signed - value of both obviously dependent on view of purchaser)
A USA pledger is paying £121, so saving 17% (rounding down) while getting the product shipped to their door, exclusive stuff and signed book, (assuming nothing changes in the remaining time of KS in the form of other offers etc) and getting the product a likely 3-6 months before its available in FLGS.

None of the above includes the free cards included and limited again only to Kickstarter. If included at the appropriate RRP, you would be nearer or just over 20%

I can't comment on how our chosen FLGS will discount, but I would be suprised if they instantly discount by 17% or thereabouts.

**Prodos**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
while Prodos has to do.... their interpretative math to show us value?

Wow!

**Prodos**

@Prodos
Will you be seeking U.S. distribution? We have at least 1 channel to market planned, others may be bought in later
What medium will you cast your plastics in? Styrene, PvC, bendy plastic like Prepainted or Dust? Styrene
How much more will these starter boxes, 5 man boxes and characters be retail if this is the discounted Kickstarter price? Starter £34.99, Troop £12.99 Character on 30mm base £7.99

Re DV from GW. To have a force you personally can play (giving approx 45 min game) from us on KS you would need to spend £30 (and have a measuring instrument). Your friend will need to have the same. A DV game lasts at best 30 mins. To make a 1500pt GW 40K force using your DV force as a start point how much extra would you need to spend (£100, £200)? To get a WRZ force that plays for the same game length you could spend upto £35.

**Prodos**

Beta Rules :
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9SxXmqAnzM-QUlKYjhnWnFsR28/edit?usp=sharing
Beta Cards:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9SxXmqAnzM-blNkQmJ0eGhSZG8/edit?usp=sharing