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It's Forgeworld, it's expensive and it didn't used to be allowed in regular games of 40k. Besides, other FW LR's like the Ares, Achilles and now Spartan are more attractive.

Well if one of my friends bought one I don't imagine he'd be bringing it to many battles.

There's a region Forgeworld is not universally accepted. And the Helios is not the worst offender by any means. Not to start a debate on Forgeworld legality but essentially that's why.

 Che-Vito wrote:
As I've been looking through the various things available to various Space Marine books, the Land Raider Helios caught my eye. I'm wondering where the 'catch' is, that people aren't taking these entirely in lieu of the normal Land Raiders.

Pros: Armor 14 all around, POTMS, BS4, Assault Vehicle, with a Whirlwind launcher in place of TL Heavy Bolters.
Cons: +10 points, and...?

What are your thoughts?

I'll just leave this here...
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/h/Heavy_Artillery.pdf


These things are some of the biggest reason people have a beef with Forge World. They are strictly BETTER then their non FW counterparts, and their points cost usually do not represent the advantages they bring. Trading a HB for a Whirlwind launcher for only ten points? Sounds fair to me!

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I think the 'catch' is that the Whirlwind launcher is Ordinance. I used to run the Helios as an objective squatter. Lascannons at one target, Whirlwind at another with PotMS. But now the Lascannons are snap shots.

If i remember corectly the helios has skyfire dosn't it?

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Cheesedoodler wrote:


These things are some of the biggest reason people have a beef with Forge World. They are strictly BETTER then their non FW counterparts, and their points cost usually do not represent the advantages they bring. Trading a HB for a Whirlwind launcher for only ten points? Sounds fair to me!

To be fair, since the Whirlwind is S5AP4 (the same as the HB) for its most powerful template, its basically 10 points to replace make the HB large blast, Ordinance (a downgrade in this case), get an extra 12" to its range, and the option to occasionally switch to a cover-denying large blast bolter. It is an upgrade, but its not that great of an upgrade, and 10 points is pretty much spot on.

 VonDecoy wrote:
I think the 'catch' is that the Whirlwind launcher is Ordinance. I used to run the Helios as an objective squatter. Lascannons at one target, Whirlwind at another with PotMS. But now the Lascannons are snap shots.

Yeah, there's your catch.

I have changed my mind - the more Land Raider Helioses my opponent brings, the better


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Cheesedoodler wrote:

 Che-Vito wrote:
As I've been looking through the various things available to various Space Marine books, the Land Raider Helios caught my eye. I'm wondering where the 'catch' is, that people aren't taking these entirely in lieu of the normal Land Raiders.

Pros: Armor 14 all around, POTMS, BS4, Assault Vehicle, with a Whirlwind launcher in place of TL Heavy Bolters.
Cons: +10 points, and...?

What are your thoughts?

I'll just leave this here...
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/h/Heavy_Artillery.pdf


These things are some of the biggest reason people have a beef with Forge World. They are strictly BETTER then their non FW counterparts, and their points cost usually do not represent the advantages they bring. Trading a HB for a Whirlwind launcher for only ten points? Sounds fair to me!

So in order to kill the gun you have to inflict 4 wounds at T7 3+ armour save?

And these things are 75 points. You could get 9 of those for 675 points. There's no way that's remotely fair

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The real problem is that update changed the stats but not the points. Previously it was an immobile vehicle and 75 point wasn't too bad. Now t7 w4 makes them significantly harder to kill.

As for the helios, it's still a TRANSPORT with weapons for long range fire support so its still meh like the godhammer.

 Che-Vito wrote:

BryllCream wrote:
And these things are 75 points. You could get 9 of those for 675 points. There's no way that's remotely fair

At 900 points, I'd be willing to play it.

So being able to counter something means it's not OP?

Quick, someone tell the internet!

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FW is usually pretty balanced for their things its just that the change in eds has made some thing that were very balanced before now rediculous but just remember the little icon that says whether its for normal 40k games or it has to be apoc