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So as is common in the Warhammer Universe a force will inevitably become massively outnumbered somewhere and be forced to Fight to the Death ( Surrender is for the Weak ! ) so this is what im thinking -



Deployment on a table size of your choice , the Defender has a 18' Deployment Area in the Dead Center of the board , This area would most likely be fortifyed so ADL or Trenchs would be something i would suggest just for Badassary



Deployment - The Attacker divides Their Forces into 3 Waves , The Waves come in Randomly at the Deciding of a D3 but all Waves will come on by Turn 4
the Defender May not have Any Forces in Reserve -



Special Rules -
Defender -
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of
us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time" --- the Defenders knowing that their odds of survival are near Zero they will Fight to the Death , not willing to try a failed retreat --- Any Unit of the Defenders may Never Route from the Field and always counts as being Fearless for the purpose of failing morale checks on retreat -

" Never Out Numbered ! Never Out Gunned ! " --- When the Defender suffers more then 40% Casualties the Commander of the force Attempts to Rally his men into awe inspiring Courage ! -- Any Unit within 12' of your Warlord gains Rage and Feel No Pain Special Rules -

Attacker -
" Their on Their Last Legs ! " -- The Attacking force knowing they have broken the Back of the Defenders is confident in their victory and are fully Assured they can't lose . --- The Attackers are counted as having a -1 To all Rolls when rolling for a Morale Check of Any kind with the exception of Pysker Powers -


" Show your Honor ! " -- Upon the commander of the Attacking force trying to feel like an utter badass , the Attackers warlord must move to enage and Challange the Enemy Warlord while in a 24 inch Range, The Retiues if possesd by those units may engage each other seperatly but this is counted as a Non-Deniable challange





Winning conditions - The Attacker is pretty Simple and is tasked with Wiping out 95% of the Defenders , The Defender Must Survive 6 Turns or Full Anhallate the Attacking force , if this is done you should feel like a boss and dance in circles -




Defender Fortifacation(s) -- What i normally use is trenchlines that are equal to about 48 inches in Perimeter , so about 4 ADL segments that i have my Guard sit in with a Command Bastion sitting in the middle ( Plop my Warlord in their for some nice AC during the heat )

For entrenchment type roll a D6 ( defender )
1 melie bag walls 5+
2 trench network 4+
3 mission station, ruins
4 bastion
5 fortress
6 every thing




So im looking for your guy's thoughts , what you would change or add and concrens Thanks !

Cool have it baricades only as normaly it will be a few people defending a brige or a camp not a masive bastion

Over all i think that it would be better because if its a last stand my guess would be that its in a heavily Defended Area which in all odds would mean it's entrenched so i think it would be better to be defending a massive trench network style encampent

Yes trenches and baricades have a role
1 melie bag walls 5+
2 trench network 4+
3 mission station, ruins
4 bastion
5 fortress
6 every thing

Just one Question , what the hell are Melee Bags ? don't you mean Sand bags ?

Have you ever seen zulu (no you aint) there a type of sand bag meile is a grain it is good at stoping bullets but esaly brakeable normaly in abundunce un like sand
The britsh army used to use them to defend key areas .

I did see Zulu when I was like 16 lol - But I didn't consider that , I'll add those into the edit momentary , any other ideas ?

All defending troops gain
Volley fire
Each gun has 1 shot but it gains sniper and +2 S
Charge
The attackers gain fleet

I love attack and defend games, but aint this kinda like planet strike? Just smaller?

I think it should be like whfb's last stand like the atcker chooses a point value and the defender gets 2/3 that amount of points. Eg. Attacker's army= 3,000 Pts defender's army= 2,000 Pts no restriction on foc, attackers army , no restriction on troops, but no heavy support options, same deployment and other rules though.

wargey wrote:
All defending troops gain
Volley fire
Each gun has 1 shot but it gains sniper and +2 S
Charge
The attackers gain fleet

This would make Lasguns completly overpowered and sniper doesn't make alot of sense , the input is apprecaited but it woudn't make much practicalness for Guardsmen to be able to stand up to terminators


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Guardslayer wrote:
I think it should be like whfb's last stand like the atcker chooses a point value and the defender gets 2/3 that amount of points. Eg. Attacker's army= 3,000 Pts defender's army= 2,000 Pts no restriction on foc, attackers army , no restriction on troops, but no heavy support options, same deployment and other rules though.

Now that seems like a Fairly good Idea , i've personally never played WHFB but that does seem like an excellant idea however an extra thousand points is pretty massive on the warhammer 40k scale

Yeh like if I was attacking with baliel I could put in 5 5 men sq of termies