Contemptor Questions

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**PredaKhaine**

1) If stationary, can they still fire at ground targets even though they have the skyfire rule? I think they can, but I'd like a second opinion.

2)On a mortis, the interceptor rule states ' within range and line of sight'. What is the dreadnoughts firing arc - 360 or front. For normal shooting it's 360 degree's, but I remember the chaos dread having a 45degree arc for shooting your own side purposes.

Thanks

Edit:these were both points that came up in a battle - just couldn't find the right rule at the right time :/

**Purifier**

Normal dreads don't have a 360 shooting arc. They can pivot without counting as moving in the movement phase, but shoot like a vehicle in the shooting phase.

**nosferatu1001**

1) Yes, because you have interceptor as well
2) hull mounted is 45 degrees total horizontal, 45 degrees total vertical

**PredaKhaine**

Thanks

**Quanar**

Purifier wrote:
Normal dreads don't have a 360 shooting arc. They can pivot without counting as moving in the movement phase, but shoot like a vehicle in the shooting phase.

Not quite correct, Walkers pivot as part of the Shooting phase (unless they are Immobilized), Page 84, bottom left.

**PredaKhaine**

So does that mean it can shoot anything it wants in its own shooting phase, but you can't shoot any thing behind the dread with intercepter in your opponents movement phase?

**Slayer le boucher**

Yup.

But the cases where you have a ennemy flyer in the back of your dread doesn't come that often, or at least not before turn 3 or 4.

**PredaKhaine**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
Yup.

But the cases where you have a enemy flyer in the back of your dread doesn't come that often, or at least not before turn 3 or 4.

Or you could turn up turn two and deepstike behind them wherever they are.
Or just deepstrike out of range and kill them.

I'm not impressed by contemptors with interceptor - it sounds good, but quickly becomes just another hoop to jump through.

Short of putting 2 down,as far forwards as possible, back to back, I can't see the point of the out of turn shooting interceptor part.

**DarknessEternal**

PredaKhaine wrote:
I can't see the point of the out of turn shooting interceptor part.

You can't see the point in killing something as it arrives from Reserves before it gets to shoot?

**PredaKhaine**

Not if every man and his dog get to deep strike behind it and shoot the dreadnought in the back.

So for example - a friend has a contemptor with assault cannons + skyfire + interceptor

With fliers, I either fly on from reserve and stay 24"+ away, or if I need to, deep strike behind him and open fire.
The Dreadnought never actually gets to fire using interceptor. It justs becomes a hoop to leap through before it goes down.

**MarkyMark**

Interceptor units are best used in a staggered formantion imo, so one is covering the other one. How many flyers can deepstrike now?, you will still mishap if your base is over another unit or go off the table and if you are moving so you are outside of his range then depending what flyer you are using, he is creating a denial area, one of the main points of using interceptor

**PredaKhaine**

I agree on the formation point - my choice would be two back to back

Off the top of my head for deep striking fliers that I regularly see
Storm Raven
Night wing
Phoenix

But with a 24" denial area - all those fliers have 24"+ plus guns, so they would be able to shoot anything the dreadnought can cover. And as the contemptor has skyfire, he'd be one of the first targets anyway.
I agree with you for longer range weapons, but the assualt cannons just seem a bit too short range to be a good interceptor weapon.

Can the aegis defence line pivot 360 to intercept, or is that los only too?

**nosferatu1001**

An Aegis gun is fired by the model in base with it; you do not trace LOS from the barrels.

**PredaKhaine**

Thanks again

**DarknessEternal**

PredaKhaine wrote:

So for example - a friend has a contemptor with assault cannons + skyfire + interceptor

With fliers, I either fly on from reserve and stay 24"+ away, or if I need to, deep strike behind him and open fire.

What about the Comtempor Mortis with twin-linked Lascannons and Cyclone with his back to the edge of the table?

Saying something is bad because someone is using it in the worst way possible doesn't actually make it bad.

**PredaKhaine**

PredaKhaine wrote:
I agree on the formation point - my choice would be two back to back

I agree with you for longer range weapons, but the assualt cannons just seem a bit too short range to be a good interceptor weapon.

I was specifically talking about the assualt cannon variant.

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DarknessEternal wrote:
PredaKhaine wrote:

So for example - a friend has a contemptor with assault cannons + skyfire + interceptor

With fliers, I either fly on from reserve and stay 24"+ away, or if I need to, deep strike behind him and open fire.

What about the Comtempor Mortis with twin-linked Lascannons and Cyclone with his back to the edge of the table?

Saying something is bad because someone is using it in the worst way possible doesn't actually make it bad.

I see the aegis as better as the aegis with a lascannon has a threat of 96"

Lascannons with 48" work well for area denial, but with it's back to the board edge, that means it has to sit still for 2-3 turns in order to avoid fliers deep striking behind it. In the meantime if fliers arrive from reserve or by deep strike, they'll just come on out of 48" range. Fliers like the storm raven (soon to be rolled out for all marines if the rumours are true) get missiles with a 72" range, so marines could still shoot anywhere, with no area denail, with no response.

"Saying something is bad because someone is using it in the worst way possible doesn't actually make it bad."

I didn't say it was bad - I said I'm not sold on it. As in its a nice unit but I wouldn't buy one.

**nosferatu1001**

Terrain also works nicely for denying rear shots. Sticking it up against a ruin works wonders

**PredaKhaine**

That'd work too I suppose

Thanks