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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 12:17:07
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
Newcastle, NSW ,Australia
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If I have a squad of 5 Deathwing Knights all touching bases they become Toughness 5, perhaps like this...
Ignore the gaps  O= Deathwing Knight X=Deathwing Terminator
-OO-
OOO
And then a get my 5 man Deathwing Terminator Squad to be in base to base with the Deathwing Knights like so...
--OO-
XOOOX
--XXX-
Would they also become Toughness 5?
Fortress Of Shields states that,
'Any model with the Inner Circle special rule in base contact with a model with this special rule gains +1 Toughness.'
Would this also be the case for to separate Dark Angels armies?
IXLoiero95XL
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2013/02/05 12:20:34
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 12:26:16
Subject: Re:Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Death-Dealing Dark Angels Devastator
California
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Yes. Personally I think it's stupid, but unless FAQ'd the rule is pretty clear from a RAW standpoint.
I don't know what kind of weird situation would cause a 2nd DA army to be nearby, but keep in mind that you can't ally with the same army. Unless you're playing some crazy house-rule, in which case, you can make anything do whatever you want.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 12:28:42
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
Newcastle, NSW ,Australia
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But you can verse another Dark Angels army
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/02/05 12:28:52
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 13:38:38
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Dakka Veteran
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No for normal Deathwing Terminators, as when they are referring to "this special rule" they mean Fortress of Shields (which normal Deathwing lack.)
I suppose in the odd case where two opposing Deathwing Knight units are all bunch up, sure, it would apply.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 13:54:18
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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RAW Yes. But...2 words that make this strategy not so good.
Devastator Cannon.
Or maybe these 4 words.
Large Strength Ten Template.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 14:06:54
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
South Chicago burbs
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If I played against that, I would instantly know where all my obliterators are dropping their plasma cannon blasts...and T5 won't help.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 14:10:20
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Zoned wrote:No for normal Deathwing Terminators, as when they are referring to "this special rule" they mean Fortress of Shields (which normal Deathwing lack.)
I suppose in the odd case where two opposing Deathwing Knight units are all bunch up, sure, it would apply.
Not so sure on this one. It says "Any model with Inner Circle in contact with two or more models with this special rule [Fortress of Shields] has..." The RIA is for it to cover attached ICs but could cover any models with Inner Circle in the same detachment type. It would get fiddly with having to get a DW Terminator in B2B with two of the DW Knights and they would be vulnerable to templates/blasts as mentioned.
Homer
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The only "hobby" GW is interested in is lining their pockets with your money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 15:37:45
Subject: Re:Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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I think the OP is asking if Enemy Inner Circle units get the +1 toughness bonus.
The answer, atm, bizarrely is yes, but you can always house-rule it to make sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 17:10:17
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Furious Fire Dragon
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I thought in general that unless specified, your special rules did not transfer to enemy units.
Homer
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The only "hobby" GW is interested in is lining their pockets with your money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 18:17:00
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Haemonculi Flesh Apprentice
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Homer S wrote:I thought in general that unless specified, your special rules did not transfer to enemy units.
Homer
No, the rule if written properly generally states friendly models etc etc... But with this new DA book we have a lot of loopy scenarios...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 18:21:25
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Fixture of Dakka
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Homer S wrote:I thought in general that unless specified, your special rules did not transfer to enemy units.
This is the way GW has been ruling things for 25 years, so it's a good assumption.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 22:01:30
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Dakka Veteran
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Oh and it in base to base with 2 models with this rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/05 22:05:49
Subject: Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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DarknessEternal wrote: Homer S wrote:I thought in general that unless specified, your special rules did not transfer to enemy units.
This is the way GW has been ruling things for 25 years, so it's a good assumption.
It used to be a rulebook FAQ, but for some reason they didn't just shove it straight back in when they updated to 6th.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/07 23:33:45
Subject: Re:Fortress Of Shields +1 Toughness Not Just For Deathwing Knights???
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Fresh-Faced New User
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The models in contact need the inner circle special rule. So Belial can get it.
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