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You'll see the reason for it as you read the list.

Lord Kaldor Draigo 275

1 Paladin, Nemesis Daemon Hammer 55
1 Paladin, Nemesis Daemon Hammer 55

Stormraven, TL Plasma Cannon, TL Multi Melta 205 X2
Stormraven, TL Assault Cannon, TL Heavy Bolter (would prefer MM on this but out of parts) 205

1000pts on the dot

So what do you think?

That's about the worst list I've ever seen.

Vendetta spam will nuke it, it can't kill enough to make it worthwhile, and having 4 wounds worth of troops makes it impossible to hold an objective.

Taking Coteaz and inq retinues as troops might make this better, but it's only gilding the lily.

That just depends on who comes onto the board first. Plus how many vendettas can you physically fit into 1000pts anyway?

Yea sorry, but I do not like the list. The model count is way too low. Table by turn 2 easy. Is that a model count of 6? Am I reading that right? I can think of alot more lists other than detta spam that can take it out.

If you want a Draigowing at 1000 pts....I would say no more than 2 ravens(really one). Draigowing's model count is low enough as it is in higher pt games, it will be worse at this pt level. I can think of alot more lists at 1000 pts for GK that will do a better job. None of them have Draigo in it. I would save him only for 2k range lists.

just my CC


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Also to support Valhallan42nd's argument, I would put 3 dettas no matter what in a detta spam under 2k. Dought I would put a quad gun in the list since there is alot of AA already.

So how about just the two ravens, and add in 3 paladins with some upgrades.

Oh and yes i do have a henchmen army so thats an option

Well the flyers can't start on the table if i recall correct, so if you meet a shooty army, your things on the table might be shot down on turn one.

Thats why theres cover. Cant be hard to find enough cover to obscure 3 models can it?

I know a guy that takes 3 vendettas at 1k, they really are that cheap, and then he still has enough guardsman to ruin your day, its not a good list sorry.

My advise is leave draigo untill about 1750 points range

Yeah but then you cant take paladins and your troops start to get expensive

The henchmen army is the way to go at 1000 pts. My list is roughly:

1 Chimera(with henchmen+ Coteaz )
3 razorbacks with assault cannon(with henchmen )
3 psy-dreads

Psy-bolted is a must

Having most if not all the army is twinlinked(due to psy powers), so not really a need for AA. Spray until its dead

Which henchmen, theres about 12 different types

warriors with bolt guns mostly in the razorbacks. MM serv's and warriors with meltas in the chimera

yeah i take psykers not normal henchmen

If you want ideas or help with a henchmen list, then I might recommend taking a look at the articles in my signature. There is simply too much to be said about them in a single post.

Henchmen are one of the most versatile units in all of 40k, so they are quite difficult to build into units and to make into lists.




On your list:

it is very silly.


You start with 3 models on the board. The enemy has a couple of turn before your ravens show up to kill those 3 models. With an entire 1000 point army shooting at 3 dudes, there is a good chance they will die Even though they are 3 very durable models. You have a good chance of being tabled before your Ravens arrive.

You have 2 scoring models. If they die and you are playing an objective game (5/6 missions), the best you can hope for is probably a tie. You will probably give up first blood as you will have single paladin on the table somewhere.

Hiding behind terrain is possible but not always. In most Tournaments, there is less terrain on each table, as they have to set up more tables than usual. If you are against a list that DS first turn (daemons, or drop pods) they may be able to find you even if you hide. Barrage weapons, scout moves or infiltrators are also concerns as well.

Even if you survive until your ravens come on, there is no guarantee that they will win you the game. They enemy can bring other flyers or flyer defense at 1000 points.


So IF you don't die on the first couple of turns, and IF your flyers come on early, and IF the enemy can not shoot them down and IF they leave some objective alone for you paladins to sneak to, you can win.

That is a lot of IFs that need to go your way for you to win.


I prefer a more TAC style of list, where you have a good chance to win, no matter what the enemy brings or happens in the first few turns.

Look at it this way mate, if you don't go first your opponent has two turns to kill three models, one platoon could manage that, notwithstanding everything else in their army

Yall posting in a troll thread...

This thread does seem pretty trollish, bet lets play the game shall we. Technically this list isnt unusable. IIRC 50% rounding up can start off the table. The stormravens dont count as they are compulsory reserves. So he could start with just Draigo on the board solidly behind cover for the first turn using psychic communion to bring the flyers and paladins in on a 3+ second turn. Its a crap strategy but would be entertaining to watch and even more entertaining to see Draigo killed by alpha striking podded stern guard with 10x combi-meltas.

So does this seem any better?

Coteaz

6x psykers with a Jokaero X3

Purgation Squad 4 Psycannons ( goes with coteaz)

2x Storm Ravens

980 pts (any ideas what to get with the last 20 pts)

The problem isn't finding cover, it's finding cover that is better than a 5+, or cover that blocks LoS. Anything that provides a 5+ isn't going to be any better than your invulnerable save, and Fearless means you can't go to ground to make it any better. Since LoS is based from the models point of view, it's far more likely that they'll be able to shoot and grant a cover save, than not be able to shoot at all.

While the list isn't all that great, what you could do, is drop one Stormraven. Take 2 more Paladins and put them in the 2 Stormaravens you still have, and take a Bastion. Draigo joins a Paladin inside the Bastion, forcing your opponent to deal with that before getting to Draigo, and effectively gains a Heavy Bolter, and whatever emplaced gun you put on the Bastion. Use Draigo's Tactics and give the Lone Paladin outflank or just Deep Strike him. If not, you can always put him on top of the Bastion lifting his Terminator Loinplate all Braveheart style because he'll have that 4+ cover save but won't be doing much else.

This doesn't make the list any more competitive, but on 1k points, should make it so that you see more than 2 turns, give you lots of laughs, and have the knowledge that if you took this to a small tournament, every opponent you play will remember your army.

I built a 10 model, 2k army built on a similar concept. it won 1/2 it's games before this edition, it's on the shelf now because of the current rules, and will get back on the table when I get some money to afford a Fortress of Redemption. It's a themed list more of a competitive list. Still fun as hell, and Im crazy enough to take it to a tournament.

I also really think alot will roll this list into dust, its a huge point sink with little wounds all together. I believe at games under 1000 pts its best to get more smaller units on the field. In that small of a game its too easy to take out one lone unit and laugh as your opponent just lost 25% of his force. Gratz random mob of cultists, you stike again and threw enough dice you wiped 30%+ of your opponents army.

Has noone noticed list 2?

I think the problem is no matter how you slice it, 2 ravens at 1k just wont work, having only 500 points on the board leaves you open to being tabled first turn.

Also it only has 1 troop

And purgation squads are not any good tbh

Just an idea, but you could go multiple small units with coteaz:

Coteaz 100

3 Servitors with Multi Meltas in Chimera (for Coteaz to ride with) 85
3 Warrior Acolytes with 3 Meltaguns in Chimera 97
3 Warrior Acolytes with 3 Meltaguns in Chimera 97
3 Warrior Acolytes with 3 Plasmaguns in Chimera 97
3 Warrior Acolytes with 3 Plasmaguns in Chimera 97

2 Stormravens, armed with whatever 410

It's just a theoretical list, and the henchmen would die horribly the second they stepped out of their chimeras, but the chimeras themselves add a whole load of anti infantry firepower. Hopefully opponents would have too much to shoot at!

Can Coteaz take divination by the way? Cos that would be cool...

Actually Tuiman, its 3 troop choices. The x3 is 3 different units, not 3 jokaero. Also while purgations admittedly suck, with Coteaz' Ive been expecting you they are awesome