STC_LogisEngine wrote:

Tibbsy wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
I wanna see some Raven Guard! Hurry up Forge World!

They already have a set of Raven Guard bits, let them give some of the other legions some love; Iron Hands for one have been almost totally forgotten before now!

Emperors Teeth wrote:
- The book is thinner than the original...
- The original art is mostly or all being used (including the pencil sketces),
- It's been re-formatted very nicely
- Battlefleet Gothic rules are still in it
- The entire Tau FW range are in here; anything without rules in the book has rules in here,
- The new Elysian list seems to fix the big problems brought about in 6th edition.

The book is beautiful as is often the case with these products. Forge World has learned lots over the years and the graphic design in the book is of a similar vein to recent productions.

Questions Answered from thread:
"Oh, and do the Mukaali Rough Riders still have 2 wounds like in the last PDF update?" - Yes
"Also are the Epic Armageddon missions gone?" - I think you've figured it out for me. No Epic.
"Does it still contain rules for xxx + xxx?" - Oooh! No Imperial units except the Elysians and Tallarn Mukaali (and another Tallarn rule to be described above).

Emperors Teeth wrote:
Story

Tau Forces
XV-89 - No longer exists.

Tetra - 2 shots.

Barracuda - No points rise but benefits from the fancy new Ion Cannon rules. Flying Battle Cannon? Yes please. Gets some fancy new bonuses to its own Jink save and against other peoples' Jinks with the burst cannons. Better rules and no more points. Very happy.

Hammerhead Turrets - Ooooooh. Points costed in line with new Hammerhead. Also, they're 2 guns not 1 twin-linked. Me likey!

I have no comment on the Gnarlocs as it's been so long since I saw rules.

Heavy Gun Drones - Seem overpriced.

Turrets - eh.

Remote Sensor Tower - Have to deploy close together. It's a fortification, so competing with Defense Line. It's got wounds at toughness like artillery pieces.

Shas'o R'myr - Has a fixed Warlord Trait from the Codex; one that lets nearby troops re-roll shooting.

Battlefleet Gothic Tau

Elysian army list
Elysian Wargear and rules
There is a page of rules and equipment, which is great!
Auxilliary Grenade Launchers - Have Frag and Krak shots and are no longer 1-shot-only!
Breacher Charges - Demo Charge alpha strikes are gone. These are now melee blast weapons. 0_o
Homing Beacons - Inexplicably renamed to Tracking Beacons.
Chaff Launchers - No longer help with immoblilised results... just against missiles!
Illum Flares - Dropped like bombs, have a limited area of effect and have no penalties for the aircraft.

Most importantly...

Combat Drop - Very similar to the Marine Drop Pod rule. It does however not make reference to deploying zero units on the board. It implies if you have an entirely valkyrie mounted army that this is the case. Non-transported units seem to be dealt with like any other army. So, if I had 6 squads in Valkyries and 2 on foot, then I'd have to deploy 50% (one) of these but all the valkyries would follow the Combat Drop rules.

Units (Any not mentioned have no change)
Company Command Squad - The only difference seems to be a 5 points point increase, but on the bright side they can take Flakk missiles if they take a missile launcher, and on the even brighter side, they can take up to 4 special weapons just like a Codex squad!!!
The Long Range Ground Scanner has been incorporated into the Command Squad as an upgrade and is no longer an independent unit.

Storm Troopers - No change, except they get a new 'Special Operation' called 'Hot-Drop'. So as not to break any forum rules, lets just say it turns their transporting Valkyrie into a Storm Raven for deployment purposes on the turn it arrives from reserves. Something like that.

Sentinel Squadron - Count as a Combat Drop unit. Small units can take a Valkyrie or Sky Talon as a transport. 20 points price rise, though!!!

Infantry Platoon - Clarification on what to do with units in non-dedicated transports.
Command Squad - Gets more Special Weapons! (Still no heavies.) 5 point increase.
Heavy Weapons Squad - 5 point price rise. May get Flakk Missiles, but its costly.
Special Weapons Squad - 5 point price rise. Can also take lascutters.

Sky Talon - Now a dedicated transport!

Tauros Squadron - Mixed types as I believe was the case in IA1:update. Venators are 10 points more after upgrading. Can no longer take Homing Beacons (Tracking Beacons) unfortunately.

Vulture Gunship - Moved to Fast attack, so is now directly competing with Vendetta's. However, it now comes in squadrons of 1-3, and some of its armaments are cheaper (specifically the ones replacing the multilaser). Between 10-20 points across the board in fact.

Sentry Gun - Has changed from a fragile vehicle to a fairly fragile artillery piece with wounds, toughness and a save. Includes rules to deal with lack of crew.

Cyclops Demolition squad - Now heavy support. Now comes as 2x bombs, 2x crew and a Valkyrie. If you could have made this unit previously, it would have been 10 points more expensive. So a sort-of-discount. If you want no flexibility.

Imperial Navy Air Support - Now includes Avenger. Win. Thunderbolt can now get Skystrike Missiles. Lightning has Agile (better Jink save).

Tallarn Regiments
'Desert Raiders' - An upgrade you can purchase for most IG infantry that gives them 'Move Through Cover' and re-roll 1's when shooting. It's pricy, so pick your units carefully. So... curiously... a nomadic lifestyle makes your Tallarn plasma veterans less likely to explode! (Seriously, it doesn't limit the weapons it works on.)

Mukaali - Seem pricey and fragile despite 2 wounds. Can take 2 special weapons at least.

Taros Campaign

Additional Tau units (3rd expansion)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
- The book is thinner than the original...

Aww... but IA3 was the best book to settle arguments with.

*wham* You're wrong! *wham* I'm right!

 zedmeister wrote:
XV-89 - No longer exists.

What about the XV-84 and XV-81?

Volume two update will likely get done when a new Space Marine Codex gets released.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

Yes. I posted pics of the concept art for Elysians in carapace long ago, from the 2008 Gamesday US IIRC. It would be nice to see something come of them.





Those 4 were mine, taken off a rather crappy camera phone that I had at the time.

Someone (The Spring offensive) else got a much better pic of two of the pages in 2011:

The Glaive Super-heavy Special Weapons Tank is a variant of the Fellblade. Armed with a Volkite Carronade, it is designed to destroy xenos beasts and incinerate enemy light vehicles at a single sweep.

While the Glaive has been issued to all eighteen Legiones Astartes in limited quantities, the Salamanders and Dark Angels have long been noted to field Glaives as a matter of course; the XVIIIth Legion’s artifice is more than sufficient to maintain and replicate the arcane Volkite technology, while the provenance and honour of the Ist Legion means that their war matériel and weaponry are ancient indeed.

The Legion Glaive, designed by Stuart Williamson, is a multi-part resin and plastic kit that is packed with detail. It is available to pre-order now for despatch from Friday 28th June and experimental rules to field this powerful super-heavy as part of a Space Marine Legion army are available to download here.

 Alpharius wrote:
That thing is awesome!

If only I could trust FW to send me a Super Heavy that wasn't warped, bent and generally misshapen to the point of Ultimate Frustration...