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**warboss**

While I like the body of the tank (and do agree with the resemblance mentioned above), I'm not too keen on that particular turret.

**Koppo**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
I'm guessing that new tank is the fabled half-way house between a Predator and a Land Raider

Well that is exactly what the model designer said when I asked him. Also, no transport capacity and they are not sure what to call the guns yet.

**SickSix**

DILL3NGER wrote:
You all seem to be getting confused with 30k vs HH. The new dimension of the game is centred around events of the HH not the 30k universe.

So Isstvan V can be recreated first and foremost. As events of the HH unfold that's when new legions will be released. It's very clever on GW part the way they can drip feed their customers with new lines making us want more and more and asking what's next.

It did make me lol to hear them talk positively about the iron hands and how ferras manus being killed is ok because they continue to play a role throughout the HH. I felt like standing up a saying 'dude their primarch is dead! Who's going to want to build that army!?' Maybe that's just me though...,,,

Great point. They are going to sell a Primarch model that you can only play in ONE battle.

The IH seriously get no love from GW or FW. They have no terminators after the DSM either. No Primarch, and no terminators to play with after the DSM. Who is going to want to play that?

**Dreadclaw69**

SickSix wrote:
Great point. They are going to sell a Primarch model that you can only play in ONE battle.

The IH seriously get no love from GW or FW. They have no terminators after the DSM either. No Primarch, and no terminators to play with after the DSM. Who is going to want to play that?

People interested in their fluff?

**Kroothawk**

Alpharius wrote:
"Marine on Marine" only doesn't justify the number of books they're currently aiming for either!

Sounds naughty

**Rayvon**

I think people interested in collecting the IH will play more than just the DSM. There is nothing to say you can only play this horus heresy battle with them !

**emmens**

Did I see...Loyalist noise marine's a few pages back?

surely my eyes are playing tricks on me.

**d-usa**

Kroothawk wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
"Marine on Marine" only doesn't justify the number of books they're currently aiming for either!

Sounds naughty

Those stories are in the fan-fiction section.

**Thanatos73**

emmens wrote:
Did I see...Loyalist noise marine's a few pages back?

surely my eyes are playing tricks on me.

Noise Marines yes. Loyalist no. As was stated above, the Emperor's Children were playing with sonic weaponry and surgical modifications before the Heresy. Fabius was toying with it in the Fulgrim novel and had been for some time. The opera scene in Fulgrim was all about the sonic weapons and debauchery the Emperor's Children would be known for. And in The Primarchs, there are straight up Noise Marines.

I take it we'll be seeing more Chaotic units slipping in as Forgeworld progresses with the story line. The Word Bearers will be straight up Chaotic as they worshipped Chaos before the heresy. Death Guard will start getting Nurgly, World Eaters more Khornate, etc.

**Dreadclaw69**

Thanatos73 wrote:
Noise Marines yes. Loyalist no. As was stated above, the Emperor's Children were playing with sonic weaponry and surgical modifications before the Heresy. Fabius was toying with it in the Fulgrim novel and had been for some time. The opera scene in Fulgrim was all about the sonic weapons and debauchery the Emperor's Children would be known for. And in The Primarchs, there are straight up Noise Marines.

I take it we'll be seeing more Chaotic units slipping in as Forgeworld progresses with the story line. The Word Bearers will be straight up Chaotic as they worshipped Chaos before the heresy. Death Guard will start getting Nurgly, World Eaters more Khornate, etc.

I'm hoping that we see more of a gradual and natural transition as the timeline and plot progresses, and not one morning the World Eaters wake up and find their armour red and bunny ears on their helmets

**Lobokai**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Thanatos73 wrote:
Noise Marines yes. Loyalist no. As was stated above, the Emperor's Children were playing with sonic weaponry and surgical modifications before the Heresy. Fabius was toying with it in the Fulgrim novel and had been for some time. The opera scene in Fulgrim was all about the sonic weapons and debauchery the Emperor's Children would be known for. And in The Primarchs, there are straight up Noise Marines.

I take it we'll be seeing more Chaotic units slipping in as Forgeworld progresses with the story line. The Word Bearers will be straight up Chaotic as they worshipped Chaos before the heresy. Death Guard will start getting Nurgly, World Eaters more Khornate, etc.

I'm hoping that we see more of a gradual and natural transition as the timeline and plot progresses, and not one morning the World Eaters wake up and find their armour red and bunny ears on their helmets

Spoiler:

**Daston**

The world eaters covered their armour in blood after the drop site massicar before hunting down the remains of the raven guard

**Tibbsy**

Yeah, the World Eaters were practically Khornate from the start

I don't know when the bunny ears started appearing, but they seemed to like blood enough to not bother cleaning their armour

Hell, 40k World Eaters might actually still have their original white/blue armour colour, it's just that no-one's noticed because of all the blood they're normally covered in

**zedmeister**

No mention on Imperial Armour 3 2nd edition? From a post by Emperors Teeth via Warseer:

Emperors Teeth wrote:
- The book is thinner than the original...
- The original art is mostly or all being used (including the pencil sketces),
- It's been re-formatted very nicely
- Battlefleet Gothic rules are still in it
- The entire Tau FW range are in here; anything without rules in the book has rules in here,
- The new Elysian list seems to fix the big problems brought about in 6th edition.

The book is beautiful as is often the case with these products. Forge World has learned lots over the years and the graphic design in the book is of a similar vein to recent productions.

Questions Answered from thread:
"Oh, and do the Mukaali Rough Riders still have 2 wounds like in the last PDF update?" - Yes
"Also are the Epic Armageddon missions gone?" - I think you've figured it out for me. No Epic.
"Does it still contain rules for xxx + xxx?" - Oooh! No Imperial units except the Elysians and Tallarn Mukaali (and another Tallarn rule to be described above).

The book itself:

Emperors Teeth wrote:
Story

Tau Forces
XV-89 - No longer exists.

Tetra - 2 shots.

Barracuda - No points rise but benefits from the fancy new Ion Cannon rules. Flying Battle Cannon? Yes please. Gets some fancy new bonuses to its own Jink save and against other peoples' Jinks with the burst cannons. Better rules and no more points. Very happy.

Hammerhead Turrets - Ooooooh. Points costed in line with new Hammerhead. Also, they're 2 guns not 1 twin-linked. Me likey!

I have no comment on the Gnarlocs as it's been so long since I saw rules.

Heavy Gun Drones - Seem overpriced.

Turrets - eh.

Remote Sensor Tower - Have to deploy close together. It's a fortification, so competing with Defense Line. It's got wounds at toughness like artillery pieces.

Shas'o R'myr - Has a fixed Warlord Trait from the Codex; one that lets nearby troops re-roll shooting.

Battlefleet Gothic Tau

Elysian army list
Elysian Wargear and rules
There is a page of rules and equipment, which is great!
Auxilliary Grenade Launchers - Have Frag and Krak shots and are no longer 1-shot-only!
Breacher Charges - Demo Charge alpha strikes are gone. These are now melee blast weapons. 0_o
Homing Beacons - Inexplicably renamed to Tracking Beacons.
Chaff Launchers - No longer help with immoblilised results... just against missiles!
Illum Flares - Dropped like bombs, have a limited area of effect and have no penalties for the aircraft.

Most importantly...

Combat Drop - Very similar to the Marine Drop Pod rule. It does however not make reference to deploying zero units on the board. It implies if you have an entirely valkyrie mounted army that this is the case. Non-transported units seem to be dealt with like any other army. So, if I had 6 squads in Valkyries and 2 on foot, then I'd have to deploy 50% (one) of these but all the valkyries would follow the Combat Drop rules.

Units (Any not mentioned have no change)
Company Command Squad - The only difference seems to be a 5 points point increase, but on the bright side they can take Flakk missiles if they take a missile launcher, and on the even brighter side, they can take up to 4 special weapons just like a Codex squad!!!
The Long Range Ground Scanner has been incorporated into the Command Squad as an upgrade and is no longer an independent unit.

Storm Troopers - No change, except they get a new 'Special Operation' called 'Hot-Drop'. So as not to break any forum rules, lets just say it turns their transporting Valkyrie into a Storm Raven for deployment purposes on the turn it arrives from reserves. Something like that.

Sentinel Squadron - Count as a Combat Drop unit. Small units can take a Valkyrie or Sky Talon as a transport. 20 points price rise, though!!!

Infantry Platoon - Clarification on what to do with units in non-dedicated transports.
Command Squad - Gets more Special Weapons! (Still no heavies.) 5 point increase.
Heavy Weapons Squad - 5 point price rise. May get Flakk Missiles, but its costly.
Special Weapons Squad - 5 point price rise. Can also take lascutters.

Sky Talon - Now a dedicated transport!

Tauros Squadron - Mixed types as I believe was the case in IA1:update. Venators are 10 points more after upgrading. Can no longer take Homing Beacons (Tracking Beacons) unfortunately.

Vulture Gunship - Moved to Fast attack, so is now directly competing with Vendetta's. However, it now comes in squadrons of 1-3, and some of its armaments are cheaper (specifically the ones replacing the multilaser). Between 10-20 points across the board in fact.

Sentry Gun - Has changed from a fragile vehicle to a fairly fragile artillery piece with wounds, toughness and a save. Includes rules to deal with lack of crew.

Cyclops Demolition squad - Now heavy support. Now comes as 2x bombs, 2x crew and a Valkyrie. If you could have made this unit previously, it would have been 10 points more expensive. So a sort-of-discount. If you want no flexibility.

Imperial Navy Air Support - Now includes Avenger. Win. Thunderbolt can now get Skystrike Missiles. Lightning has Agile (better Jink save).

Tallarn Regiments
'Desert Raiders' - An upgrade you can purchase for most IG infantry that gives them 'Move Through Cover' and re-roll 1's when shooting. It's pricy, so pick your units carefully. So... curiously... a nomadic lifestyle makes your Tallarn plasma veterans less likely to explode! (Seriously, it doesn't limit the weapons it works on.)

Mukaali - Seem pricey and fragile despite 2 wounds. Can take 2 special weapons at least.

Taros Campaign

Additional Tau units (3rd expansion)

**H.B.M.C.**

zedmeister wrote:
- The book is thinner than the original...

Aww... but IA3 was the best book to settle arguments with.

*wham* You're wrong! *wham* I'm right!

zedmeister wrote:
XV-89 - No longer exists.

What about the XV-84 and XV-81?

**zedmeister**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
zedmeister wrote:
- The book is thinner than the original...

Aww... but IA3 was the best book to settle arguments with.

*wham* You're wrong! *wham* I'm right!

zedmeister wrote:
XV-89 - No longer exists.

What about the XV-84 and XV-81?

I suspect they're still in - no mention of them being removed from the author. Book is cheaper by £5 (who knew Epic rules added an extra fiver!). Oh and it appears IA2 2nd edition is waiting for the Space Marine codex...

**kronk**

Hi there,
Those of you lucky enough to attend the recent Forge World Open Day at GW HQ would have no doubt caught a glimpse of the brand new, fully updated, Imperial Armour Volume Three – Second Edition: The Taros Campaign that we had on display there, and one of the most asked questions about it on the day was “When can we buy it?”. Well, the simple answer is today, as the book is now available to order for immediate despatch.

Imperial Armour Volume Three – Second Edition: The Taros Campaign

When the industrial world of Taros falls secretly under the sway of the expanding Tau Empire, its mineral resources are diverted to the factories of the Tau and away from the ever-hungry Forge Worlds of the Imperium.

The Imperial response is brutal and direct with the full force of the Emperor’s military might being unleashed against the upstart xenos. The bitter war that follows involves two Adeptus Astartes Chapters, as well as thousands of Imperial Guardsmen from the famed regiments of Elysia and Tallarn. This record chronicles the war from its inception to its dire conclusion.

Imperial Armour Volume Three – Second Edition: The Taros Campaign is the definitive reference for using Forge World’s extensive range of Tau Empire armoured vehicles and battlesuits in games of 6th Edition Warhammer 40,000. This book includes profiles for each and every Tau Empire unit in the Forge World range, from the humble Heavy Gun Drone to the super-heavy Manta, including those units deployed after the bloody conflict on Taros such as the potent XV9 Hazard Close Support Team and our Kroot Auxiliary units.

In addition to this wealth of Tau content, the book contains a fully updated 6th Edition Elysian Drop Troops army list, and expansion rules for fielding Tallarn Desert Raiders using Codex: Imperial Guard, as well as updated 6th Edition rules for Tallarn Mukaali Riders.

This 276-page hardback book is packed with artwork and colour profiles for the forces of the Tau Empire, the Tallarn and Elysian Imperial Guard regiments, and the Avenging Sons and Raptors Space Marine Chapters. It also contains unique scenarios to allow the bitter engagements of the Taros Campaign to be refought on the tabletop.

Imperial Armour Volume Three – Second Edition: The Taros Campaign is available to order now for immediate despatch.

Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
Forge World

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zedmeister wrote:
No mention on Imperial Armour 3 2nd edition?

Thanks for that! Updated the first post with this information, added the new newsletter, and cleaned up the "old" rumors that have already come to pass.

**Manchu**

Welp, while I was picking up this long-awaited Taros 2E I thought I might as well nab Mymaera and Orpheus ... ouch.

**kronk**

Manchu wrote:
Welp, while I was picking up this long-awaited Taros 2E I thought I might as well nab Mymaera and Orpheus ... ouch.

Buy all the books!

I'm waiting for Fulgrim to drop to pick up IA12 and IA3-2E. Of course, I'll probably buy some heresy marines, too...

**BrookM**

Any word on Elysian veteran squads in the revamped army list or have those been left out?

**Manchu**

kronk wrote:
Of course, I'll probably buy some heresy marines, too...

So far I have only ordered books from FW. But every time I do, I have to make a sanity check to avoid adding miniatures to the cart ...

**warboss**

Hrmm... New taros book that includes all the tau stuff since. That might get some bucks out of me as I've always wanted that book. I'd need to get some Tetras as well as I've always wanted them. That'll be the first new GW figs I'd get in almost two years if I decide to spring for it.

**SickSix**

That's a very tempting buy. I always wanted that book. Now its even better.

**Manchu**

"I've always wanted that book" seems a common sentiment. I have heard through the years that the Taros book was error-ridden and somewhat thin on story. I still wanted it. A second edition is a perfect excuse. I really hope Alan Bligh helped on this edition.

**warboss**

Manchu wrote:
"I've always wanted that book" seems a common sentiment. I have heard through the years that the Taros book was error-ridden and somewhat thin on story. I still wanted it. A second edition is a perfect excuse. I really hope Alan Bligh helped on this edition.

The story seemed quite long in the quick flip through that I had years ago and this one has 108 pages of story according to the table of contents. For one narrative campaign, that's enough for me personally.

**BrookM**

It's a fun book, but a horrible story that is poorly written. I'm pretty sure it's a copy-paste job with new lists.

**Harriticus**

Maybe the new edition fixed the embarrassing grammar in the original.

**thunderingjove**

Buying books is getting expensive! Maybe I should just stick to models!

**warboss**

thunderingjove wrote:
Buying books is getting expensive! Maybe I should just stick to models!

You should start with the new Eldar Wraithknight then.

**thunderingjove**

Does the Wraithknight have enough mass to bookend 12 Imperial Armour books? Guess we'll find out some!