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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 12:52:45
Subject: The Black Mace
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Regular Dakkanaut
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This is probably a silly question, but the Black Mace says any unit that suffers an unsaved wound immediately has to take a toughness test and pass or die.
Does that mean they take a test for every unsaved wound? Or once for all unsaved wounds? The word "immediately" is what confuses me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 12:53:18
Subject: The Black Mace
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one test for any wounds caused, be it 1 or 5
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 19:13:18
Subject: The Black Mace
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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For starters you mean model and not unit right? Since a unit comprises of many models you could be saying it wipes a squad with one blow.
otherwise as above, you make one test and if failed you die. similar to force weapons or other models that inflict instant death.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 20:19:22
Subject: The Black Mace
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I was referring to the first part of the Black Mace effect, against a single model. It has a second part which affects stuff within 3 inches, but that's not what I was asking about.
When I read it, I sort of thought it could be construed as to having to take a toughness test for every wound. Technically, that's what the rule says, you have to do it for every unsaved wound, but I think RAW it comes down to how the wounds are allocated. If each wound was allocated one at a time, then you would have to take a test for each one as it was rolled for, because it says to make a toughness test *immediately* as the wound is taken. However, I think in an assault wounds are assigned all at once.
I think, anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 20:27:01
Subject: Re:The Black Mace
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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Due to the way it is done I would have to say the only way to do this so the ability works is to allocate wounds one at a time and roll after each if the model had two or more wounds.
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ADD causes my posts to ramble from time to time. Please bear with me.
You're not a Time Lord stick with linear time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 20:33:01
Subject: The Black Mace
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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The curse works just on the models you wound, I'd recoment looking at a force weapon for a comparison.
The second part of the rule is very clear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 20:49:22
Subject: The Black Mace
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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YOu roll one at a time, as you cannot fast roll.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 00:28:02
Subject: Re:The Black Mace
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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I'm inclined to agree with Nos in this case. I had initially thought all the wounds would be caused simultaneously because they're the same Initiative step - but on a closer look, that only applies to when the Attacks themselves are made, not allocating wounds.
So you have to allocate, take any saves, then take the test for - in other words, fully resolve - each wound separately in case one particular wound kills the model in question. Any remaining wounds from the Mace would then reach other enemy models as per normal allocation.
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 02:33:04
Subject: Re:The Black Mace
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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okay, but whats the point?
if you go against a normal troop unit with everyone with 1 Wound, once they sffer an unsaved wound, they are death anyway, so they can't make a test.
Only instance where it is interessting is against multiple wounds units, like Nids Warriors, Ogryns and stuffs...
Actually..., its an interessting thing...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 03:39:08
Subject: Re:The Black Mace
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Slayer le boucher wrote:okay, but whats the point?
if you go against a normal troop unit with everyone with 1 Wound, once they sffer an unsaved wound, they are death anyway, so they can't make a test.
Only instance where it is interessting is against multiple wounds units, like Nids Warriors, Ogryns and stuffs...
Actually..., its an interessting thing...
The point is that you wound one model and become a lawn mower. This unit can reap a huge tally of kills in a single turn.
Even if you are up against 2 wound models the ability to remove them on a characteristic test is very powerful. Look at the constant gripes about JOTWW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 04:52:58
Subject: The Black Mace
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It could also be used on stuff like Mephy or Captains and other models that are hard to kill normally. Though Meph would need to roll a 6 to fail. It's a force multiplier for sure. Really puts the hurt on bug warriors.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 08:51:53
Subject: Re:The Black Mace
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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It ties in well with your forced challenges. The opponent will either accept and fall right into your trap or cower away and be forced to watch the rest of their unit get minced. Secondary characters to save them from challenges will only save them for a turn. You want to send it against multiple wound but T4 (or less!) nasties, like, ohhhh, just about every Space Marine Chapter Master or Captain out there.
...what's that you say? I can get Veterans of the Long War against them *as well*?
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