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Eldar don't have force weapons. I find that rediculousl, the most psychics race in the galaxy, and they don't have a single force weapon. Does anyone else think this same way? And if not, then why don't they?

Ok old old fluff here, force weapons used to trap the deamon or soul in the crystal on the force weapon, you will notice all current force weapons still have that giant crystal on it, these these would then break down the essence of the soul or deamon, killing it permanently, this has changed now I think.

If not it goes a long way to explain why eldar dont have the same kind of force weapons the imperials have.

Witchblades are force weapons by the way, they just dont have the force rule.

I suppose you could say its because the Eldar don't have the same approach to using psychic powers as everyone else.

Maybe activating a force weapon exposes your soul too much so the Eldar don't like risking it.

Well it's not a like a 50 foot demon is going to burst out of the blade and devour the

. actually, I may be wrong...

Witchblades and Singing Spears are basically force weapons. They just don't have the force weapon quality in the table-top, presumably because GW doesn't like the idea of other factions being capable of killing daemons as well as Space Marines.

They USED to have force weapons - well, Force weaponsX2 back in 1st/2nd edition.

Back in the day, when you could use psi power points to boost the S and drop the save modifier, 'normal' force weapons were a 1 for 1 deal (default was S of user, so for 1 pt, you could go S+1, save -1). Eldar ones were double. For every point, you raised the S by 2 and dropped their save by 2.

Only Grey Knights had anything close to this - and a squad of GK terminators WAS an army.

To be fair, Eldar prefer to use the Warp indirectly, such as by means of runes and Wraithbone. Anything more direct is just too damn risky.

BlaxicanX wrote:
Witchblades and Singing Spears are basically force weapons. They just don't have the force weapon quality in the table-top, presumably because GW doesn't like the idea of other factions being capable of killing daemons as well as Space Marines.

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It's not a space marines thing, take the hate elsewhere lol

Its an imperial thing, all the factions that have the force rule, all space marines
( all imperial or ex imperial) and all guard, nids dont use force weapons in the same way, neither do
Eldar and orks dont have any at all.

In 2nd edition, both force weapons (force sword and force axe) and witchblades/singing spears operated the same way. They gave +X to Strength (with corresponding armor save modifier effect based on Strength) where X was the Psyker level of the wielder. Also, this was the era when psychic powers had to be powered by Force cards. Force weapons and witchblades/singingspears could be used as batteries by storing force cards for later. Force weapons could store 1, while the Eldar ones could store 2. Also as a side benefit, all of them ignored daemonic aura saves.

In fluff terms, the energy was stored in a helical crystal matrix, depicted here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/342983.page lower down with the Eldar Warlock picture.

Force cards could be expended in combat instead of for psychic powers in order to provide additional Strength and armor save modifier effects.

So what it boiled down to was, the Eldar version had twice the battery size as human force weapons, and could use 2 Force cards to boost their power in combat as opposed to the human ones. Yes, this meant Eldar weapons were actually better than human ones, though at a higher point cost. In 2nd edition, a lot of Eldar weapons were equal or better than human equipment, such as shuriken catapults and mesh armor being better than the human Guard equivalents. Eldar were very arguably too good, but when 3rd edition came round, their weapons were especially hard hit by the nerfbat, and the artificial difference created between force weapons and Eldar witchblades. It has had the issue of making both these weapons not so good at anti-daemon work, which conflicts with their original background rationale.

I 100% agree It's crazy that we don't have force weapons!

Given the low strength of eldar I would have thought that the witchblade rules were more useful anyway. No point being able to instant kill something if you can't wound it in the first place. Also as they are not force weapons you don't need to expend a power token to activate the things and can save all your points for powers.

But you know who has force weapons?
Yoda! Prepare to get owned by a very small yet agile man who can choke you with his Er fingers?