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Just read the blurb on the Death From the Skies compendium. Is there anything in this that makes it mandatory for regular 40k games, or is it really just for people who want to play dogfight games?

That depends.

If you have a Storm Talon or one of the ork flyers you'll need either DftS or the iWhatever digital rules because they have changed from the original WD rules.

If you don't have one of those two models then all of your updates are contained in the recent FAQ/errata, which you can download from the GW website.

The other contents of the book are just a reprint of the Crusade of Fire flyer rules (optional stuff for dogfighting/special pilots/etc), and they're still utter trash that nobody will ever use. I wouldn't waste bandwidth pirating them, and I certainly wouldn't pay money for them.

Thanks Peregrine.

Sounds like unless you have a strong presence of fliers in your gaming community, it might be worth picking up. Otherwise it looks like fliers arent catching on like GW thought they would, so this book is not a must have.

Garukadon wrote:
Sounds like unless you have a strong presence of fliers in your gaming community, it might be worth picking up. Otherwise it looks like fliers arent catching on like GW thought they would, so this book is not a must have.

More like the rules are already available elsewhere, so there's no reason to buy the zero-content book. Flyers themselves are just fine.

 Peregrine wrote:

Garukadon wrote:
Sounds like unless you have a strong presence of fliers in your gaming community, it might be worth picking up. Otherwise it looks like fliers arent catching on like GW thought they would, so this book is not a must have.

More like the rules are already available elsewhere, so there's no reason to buy the zero-content book. Flyers themselves are just fine.

Zero content like the new rules from the Crusades of Fire book? That sounds like content to me. Flyers rock.

Garukadon wrote:
Zero content like the new rules from the Crusades of Fire book? That sounds like content to me. Flyers rock.

The Crusade of Fire flyer "rules" are utter garbage. There is no reason anyone would ever want to use them, so even if you don't already have a copy of CoF the new book is not giving you anything.

 Peregrine wrote:

Garukadon wrote:
Zero content like the new rules from the Crusades of Fire book? That sounds like content to me. Flyers rock.

The Crusade of Fire flyer "rules" are utter garbage. There is no reason anyone would ever want to use them, so even if you don't already have a copy of CoF the new book is not giving you anything.

Your right, no reason anyone would ever want to use them, thanks for making that decision for all of us ( sarcasm ). We have not even seen the book yet, to really give it our final impression. You made up your mind already, but some of us will wait to see it before we can write it off.

Garukadon wrote:
Your right, no reason anyone would ever want to use them, thanks for making that decision for all of us ( sarcasm ).

Ok, fine, some people who stubbornly want to play something just because GW put an "official" sign on it might want to use them. But for the rest of us they're terrible.

We have not even seen the book yet, to really give it our final impression.

Yes we have. The rules are a reprint of the ones in Crusade of Fire, which we have already seen.

 Peregrine wrote:

Garukadon wrote:
Your right, no reason anyone would ever want to use them, thanks for making that decision for all of us ( sarcasm ).

Ok, fine, some people who stubbornly want to play something just because GW put an "official" sign on it might want to use them. But for the rest of us they're terrible.

We have not even seen the book yet, to really give it our final impression.

Yes we have. The rules are a reprint of the ones in Crusade of Fire, which we have already seen.

I didn't see the book ( CoF).

Personally I want the book so I can use my Stormraven as part of my Blood Ravens, officially. Have already neen doing it since it was orginally released (houserules) but now its legal.

Garukadon wrote:
I didn't see the book ( CoF).

And? The fact that you didn't look at CoF yet (it's been out for quite a while) doesn't mean that the rest of us haven't, or that we can't judge DftS based on the rules we've already seen in CoF.

CoF is a campaign book with some optional rules for your buddies to play with fliers. It was a limited edition book that sold out quickly and wasn't that great.

DftS apparently is changing the points of certain fliers, opening up existing fliers to new codecies, and even changing weapon stats, depending on what codex you play.

Is it required? Not really. You could just play with the existing rules with your buddies.

Is it required at tournaments? It depends on who is running them, I guess.

 Peregrine wrote:
Ok, fine, some people who stubbornly want to play something just because GW put an "official" sign on it might want to use them. But for the rest of us they're terrible.

Shooting Str10 bolter shots. Some people who stubbornly want to play something just because GW put an "official" sign on it might want to use Str4. But for the rest of us they're terrible.

Regarding tournies, I imagine most stores won't make a big deal of you not having the book, as long as you have the information.

GW is screwing them over with the direct order only process, so I HIGHLY doubt they will care. I imagine it will either be just supply the info, or no forgeworld/no DftS kind of set up.

 Peregrine wrote:
Ok, fine, some people who stubbornly want to play something just because GW put an "official" sign on it might want to use them. But for the rest of us they're terrible.

Just like FW

 Goat wrote:
Shooting Str10 bolter shots. Some people who stubbornly want to play something just because GW put an "official" sign on it might want to use Str4. But for the rest of us they're terrible.

This is not at all the same case.

STR 4 bolters are the standard rules of the game.

The reprinted CoF flyer rules are NOT a standard part of the game, they're an OPTIONAL set of special rules you can use if you want to. I'm not talking about the unit rules/updates (which are mandatory), I'm talking about the rules for dogfighting/special pilots/etc which are clearly labeled as OPTIONAL.

And the unfortunate truth here is that the optional rules are garbage. Only the most dedicated GW fanboy would ever want to use them, because if you aren't blinded by "GW = AWESOME!!!!!!" then you realize that the rules are absolutely terrible.

 Chumbalaya wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Ok, fine, some people who stubbornly want to play something just because GW put an "official" sign on it might want to use them. But for the rest of us they're terrible.

Just like FW

No.

FW rules are part of standard 40k.

The DftS rules for dogfighting/special pilots/etc are OPTIONAL rules for playing a special non-standard game.

Are we seriously arguing this?

The book isn't even out yet (EDIT: Correction, it has been released. Haven't seen anyone who owns it though) hahahaha, let's judge it once people have read it. We can speculate all we want, but until we have the book in our hands that's all it is. Speculation.

Is the book required? From what I have read, for majority of people no. If you REALLY want to use it, then go ahead. Majority of the rules seem to be optional, and only usable if you want to play a fliers only type game (which, oddly seems interesting to me *shrug*)

 washout77 wrote:
The book isn't even out yet (EDIT: Correction, it has been released. Haven't seen anyone who owns it though) hahahaha, let's judge it once people have read it. We can speculate all we want, but until we have the book in our hands that's all it is. Speculation.

No, it's fact. We know that the optional rules are just a reprint from CoF, and we've already seen those. There's no speculation at all.

 Peregrine wrote:

 washout77 wrote:
The book isn't even out yet (EDIT: Correction, it has been released. Haven't seen anyone who owns it though) hahahaha, let's judge it once people have read it. We can speculate all we want, but until we have the book in our hands that's all it is. Speculation.

No, it's fact. We know that the optional rules are just a reprint from CoF, and we've already seen those. There's no speculation at all.

Where has it said this? Or have you/talked to someone who has seen both and can confirm?

If so, I stand for correction.

EDIT: Actually, knowing GW, im not surprised in the slightest

 washout77 wrote:
Where has it said this? Or have you/talked to someone who has seen both and can confirm?

If so, I stand for correction.

All of the rumors say it's a reprint, and the description of the book seems to be very clearly describing the CoF rules.

 Peregrine wrote:

 washout77 wrote:
Where has it said this? Or have you/talked to someone who has seen both and can confirm?

If so, I stand for correction.

All of the rumors say it's a reprint, and the description of the book seems to be very clearly describing the CoF rules.

Well, not exactly as solid facts as I hoped for, but it's the best we got at the moment.

Even without that, GW protocol says that if the CoF book didn't sell well they have to re-print the rules, call it something different, and hope that it sells. If it doesn't sell this time, they'll make it again but that time make it required and charge $50 for it

Only if you want to use stormtalons in your BT army.

Which I do... very much.

 Peregrine wrote:

Garukadon wrote:
I didn't see the book ( CoF).

And? The fact that you didn't look at CoF yet (it's been out for quite a while) doesn't mean that the rest of us haven't, or that we can't judge DftS based on the rules we've already seen in CoF.

And when I see the book i'll make up my mind. But if you want, you can keep talking and change my mind.