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So I will be playing Germans and I was wondering what book I should be using to create my forces from. I will be fighting Britains finest.

I have:

7 Tiger 1e

7 sd kfz 251 half tracks, the troop carrier with mg on it

1 sd kfz i think it is a 7/1, the anti air kind

1 grenadier platoon box set(thats where most of the sd kfz half tracks are from)

two sets of germans from the new open fire box set. (6 stug, the grenadiers, the pak 40s, etc)

one set of AA bunkers, mostly purchased to use as buildings

Any ideas?

Dave

Difficult - but then I dislike Tigers!

there is a whole tiger list in the new bridge by bridge book (but they're rubbish tigers!)

Schwere Panzerkompanie from Grey wolf should be good!

As a brief think you Could do... (get onto easy army!! small cost for all the lists!)

HQ Tiger
3 Tigers (1 upgraded to Carius)
2 Tigers
3 Panzer Grens in armoured half tracks with a Faust
3 Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) AAA

1750 on the nose

I would still like to use the stug's I have from the Open Fire set. Is there a book I could use to get sort of a Tiger and Stug force?

I think a Stug assault backed up by tigers would be a cool theme. Don't be worried points wise, I personally like to use lots of stuff!

Dave

Best you can do then is either the panzer kompanie or the Stug Assault list from Grey Wolf - but you'll probably get a max of 4 Tigers.

What about the Earth and Steel book?

Meh I would stick with grey wolf. With having that many tigers what do you want stugs for you can just blast what ever you want with 6 tigers and possibly some sweet tiger aces.

I was playing with a similar idea for tigers and some inf.

The other option to consider is that with what you have you basically can do 3 lists (with minimal other investment)

Tigers with infantry back up
StuG's with infantry back up
Grenadiers with tank back up

Add in some artillery and mortars and you're in a great position

( and a few more half tracks you can do an armoured gren list!)

Rough draft for some first lists out of Grey Wolf book:

1st list is a Grenadier Kompanie-

Company HQ w/SMG

grenadiers 3x teams plus hq

grenadiers 3 teams plus hq

grenadiers 3 teams plus hq

1x anti tank PaK 40 platoon(3 pak 40)

1x anti air platoon (3x 2cm flak guns)

Schwere Panzer platoon(4x tiger e1)

StuG platoon(3x StuG G)

1885 points.

List 2 Panzer Kompanie-

HQ 2 Stug G

Stug G x3

Stug G x3

Schwere panzer platoon 4x tiger 1e

gepanzerte grenadier platoon with hq and 3 teams

anti air platoon 2x sd kfz 7/1

1960 pts

Any thoughts on this?

Just as a word of warning don't start at high point values, learning the rules is easier at lower values!

Also tanks are easier to learn than infantry!

Few less tigers in list 2 and you have a half decent list

 Reaver83 wrote:
Just as a word of warning don't start at high point values, learning the rules is easier at lower values!

Also tanks are easier to learn than infantry!

Few less tigers in list 2 and you have a half decent list

I hear you points values wise, but I always look to the future! I also like to go big or go home lol.

So we think list 1 is not so good?

First list is good but I would knock the tigers down to 2 and use the points to get 4 panzer 4's and add panzerfausts to the infantry and HQ. That way you get 8 platoons and deploy 4 on reserve missions when defending. You'd probably deploy 2 grenadier platoons, the AA and pak 40's and have the rest to counter-attack.

Obviously I was stoned when I wrote that last reply, as you cannot take tigers and panzers AND stugs... use the points to grab some mortars and mg42's and attach the mg's out to the grenadier platoons.

Don't take understrength infantry platoons, always take them full stregnth or don't take them at all.

As it's not possible to bring platoons with just 3 teams, I think he means squads.

Palindrome wrote:
Don't take understrength infantry platoons, always take them full stregnth or don't take them at all.

Really? Why is that? I sometimes take them to squeeze an additional platoon out of the points. They are still able to hold objectives if dug-in. Friend of mine runs a russian Strelkovy with a full strength "platoon" and a min strength "platoon". He uses the big platoon to go kick ass and hold home objectives with the other and hes doing fine. But also i dont run or have played against much heavy tanks so far so this impression could be wrong.

Mywik wrote:

Palindrome wrote:
Don't take understrength infantry platoons, always take them full stregnth or don't take them at all.

Really? Why is that? I sometimes take them to squeeze an additional platoon out of the points. They are still able to hold objectives if dug-in. Friend of mine runs a russian Strelkovy with a full strength "platoon" and a min strength "platoon". He uses the big platoon to go kick ass and hold home objectives with the other and hes doing fine. But also i dont run or have played against much heavy tanks so far so this impression could be wrong.

Strelkovy are an exception due to their sheer size. For smaller platoons (Germans etc) an understrength platoon is too easy to break and they don't have the survivability or firepower even to hold an objective. If I can I make my infantry platoons 10 stands strong.

I think that if you run a 2 section German platoon (5 stands) it doesn't take much to break you

Mywik wrote:

Palindrome wrote:
Don't take understrength infantry platoons, always take them full stregnth or don't take them at all.

Really? Why is that? I sometimes take them to squeeze an additional platoon out of the points. They are still able to hold objectives if dug-in. Friend of mine runs a russian Strelkovy with a full strength "platoon" and a min strength "platoon". He uses the big platoon to go kick ass and hold home objectives with the other and hes doing fine. But also i dont run or have played against much heavy tanks so far so this impression could be wrong.

Min Strength Strelkovy is still bigger than your max strength platoons. They don't work on the same level of organization.

As a Brit, Russian, and bit of German player I can say that running a 2 section German Platoon is one of the easiest things for me to crack open. All I have to do is shoot a gun or two at it, make it take a morale check, and it might run. It might not seem like a lot, but adding another 2 stands makes quite a difference.