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Hi Guys

I was having a battle with a friend the other day and we both came up against this on different occasions and wondered how we could get clarity.

While playing as Abaddon, during an assault I used his demon sword, so I rolled for extra attacks and got 5. This gives Abaddon 9 attacks.

Is there a rule to determine how many of those attacks have to be made with the sword and how many with his lightning claw? It only matters because both weapons have very different stats for resolving damage with sword being +1 and the claw is user strength x2.

This matters less for my friend with tyrannids but even he wondered how this is resolved as some of his models have a mix of things like bone swords and talons.

In summary, the question is I guess, if a model has more than one close combat weapon, how many attacks should be attributed to each weapon where more than one attack can be made?

Any clarification will be helpful, even if the answer is just, decide amongst the players.

Cheers.

You choose which weapon you're planning to attack with during that assault phase.

So if you choose Drach'ynen, as it has the Daemon Weapon special rule you can roll to see if you gain extra attacks to attack with that weapon.
You cannot split your attacks between your different weapons in the same Assault Phase. (Don't have my rulebook so probably worded differently in the rules)

Hmm, well if you charge you get another attack, and if you had say a pistol and claw, then again another attack,

So what you are saying is you choose one close combat weapon profile and use that,.

When would you choose the lightning claw over the deamon sword?

Well regardless of which weapon you choose to attack with you get the benefit of two cc weapons (or specialist weapons as is the case with Abaddon) and charging. It just you use the profile and rules of only one weapon.

As for using the Talon of Horus. If you were attacking a vehicle or a high toughness model or if you were aiming to ID a T4 or lower model. Plus you don't risk attacking at WS1.
Abaddon has like 7 attacks on the charge thanks to rage and dual specialist weapons

You only roll for extra attacks when you've chosen to use Drach'nyen because it has the Daemon Weapon rule, whereas the Talon of Horus does not. You can't roll for extra attacks and then proceed to use the Talon, that's not how it works. You announce which weapon you'll be aiming to use then resolve the attacks based on the rules for said weapon.

The above post is correct, under most circumstances you're going to want to use rach'nyen to throw out as many attacks as possible. However, due to the higher strength of the Talon it's able to instant death a Toughness 4 model. So... if Abby finds himself in a challenge with a character of Toughness 5, Eternal Warrior, or a 2++ invuln, you're going to want to use the sword because you'll get more attacks, forcing more saves. If you get into combat with say, a standard HQ with a higher invuln or Toughness 4 you would generally choose to hit with the Talon because even though you get less attacks, the wounds that get through the invuln (if they even have one) is an instant death.

Same goes for vehicles. He won't generally do a lot of damage at Strength 6 with his sword, but nailing a Tank on Strength 8 gives you much better chance of glancing or penetrating.

It's all situational.

Hope this helps!

About Abbadon, everyone is right. No need for it to be said again.

But tyranids are an exception. They dont have "weapons" they have "biomorphs". As such, they are never granted the +1 attack for two CCWs. However, they are always granted all the abilities of all of their biomorphs in close combat.

Using your example, A warrior with dual boneswords and scything talons would re-roll 1s to hit in close combat, AND make a wounded enemy test for instant death on 3d6.

My group plays it as this. He has 7 attacks on the charge, he can use all of the attacks with either weapon or he can split his attacks between the weapons as you desire. As long as abbadon make one attack with drach'nyen he can roll the extra d6 attacks. Of course he must use the two separate profiles for the attacks. For example, he charges with 7 and uses the talon for 6 of them. He then uses the last attack with drach'nyen which allows for another d6 attacks. if say he rolls 5 abbadon now has 6 attacks with the talon of horus ( x2 ap3, shred) and 6 with drach'nyen (+1 ap2). So he is not mixing and match and getting all attacks at x2 strength ap2 with shred. also if he rolls a 1 the result applies to all his attacks.

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Page 51; More than One Weapon. You have to pick one each round. You can't split your attacks between them.

I am not a chaos player but

Well regardless of which weapon you choose to attack with you get the benefit of two cc weapons (or specialist weapons as is the case with Abaddon) and charging

seems off...

Does abaddon still get an extra attack for wielding two different specialist weapons?

 DJGietzen wrote:
I am not a chaos player but

Well regardless of which weapon you choose to attack with you get the benefit of two cc weapons (or specialist weapons as is the case with Abaddon) and charging

seems off...

Does abaddon still get an extra attack for wielding two different specialist weapons?

Yup you just need two weapons with the "Specialist Weapons" special rule. It's changed from 5th ed where they had to be two of the same weapons.

So you could also get an extra attack by having a Lightning Claw and a Power Fist on a character.