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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Can we at least agree that women in heavy-duty sci-fi armor can be awesome, epic AND hot?

If you are saying that you find women like, say, Kia from the Saints Row series hot, yeah, we totally can.
Kia :


If you are trying to say that making them look hot should be a design goal when designing those women's armor, then we are going to disagree a lot.

I think I miscommunicated a lot.

Let me clarify that I find Pharah in Overwatch, fully armored in her standard armor, to be an example of heavy plate armor on a woman being awesome, epic, and hot.

Essentially by "hot" I just mean that the fully-armored women have an overall shape that looks much like an adult woman. And that is ALL I mean by it. I don't mean boobplate, or high heels, or ridiculously exaggerated or anything else. Just that the female character still has a female shape when wearing her armor.

Because, I mean, the adult female form is something I find hot to begin with...

 Ashiraya wrote:
If you catch my meaning.

I don't. I mean, both armor seems pretty equivalent with the first one being slightly thicker, and if anything I'd rather have SoB armor at least as thick as the second one. And on my favorite artworks, it's usually thicker than that :

You often link that picture but it is pretty hard to tell on it because the HB is in the way!

 Pouncey wrote:
Essentially by "hot" I just mean that the fully-armored women have an overall shape that looks much like an adult woman.

Would that include Kia's armor above?


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 Ashiraya wrote:
You often link that picture but it is pretty hard to tell on it because the HB is in the way!

True, but the way the head looks completely encased in armor makes the armor look really thick imo. Several centimeter thick at least. Something that no human could ever move in if it wasn't powered.

Kia looks great, by the way!

 Ashiraya wrote:
You often link that picture but it is pretty hard to tell on it because the HB is in the way!

The only part of her armour I can really see past the heavy bolter is the thigh and it looks pretty skinny, the rest of it's hard to tell. The shoulders look high because of the low angle but not necessarily "thick".

Yeah, Saints Row has great stuff in it, and very terrible stuff too.


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Ahah I just noticed that because of her shoulder pad, she can only use one eye to see where she is firing! Well, 40k never was high on realism anyway ^^.

Ashiraya - completely agreed. It doesn't need to be figure hugging, doesn't need to accent curves, and needs to function first and foremost as intimidating armour.

Making it look feminine isn't a main concern, as long as I can tell a Sister is in it.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Essentially by "hot" I just mean that the fully-armored women have an overall shape that looks much like an adult woman.

Would that include Kia's armor above?

Not enough info, really.

Certainly possible, I wouldn't disregard the possibility at all, but the pose makes it tough to tell.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The only part of her armour I can really see past the heavy bolter is the thigh and it looks pretty skinny

I made picture highlighting the thigh, because I like making pictures ^^.

Those highlight what are imo two different ways to read the image. The first one make it look skinny, yeah. The second one, where the darker part just below the sculpted stuff is also part of the leg, makes it look quite big imo.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Ashiraya - completely agreed. It doesn't need to be figure hugging, doesn't need to accent curves, and needs to function first and foremost as intimidating armour.

Making it look feminine isn't a main concern, as long as I can tell a Sister is in it.

Well, yeah...

But, I mean, if I just want semi-functional power armor I could buy plastic Space Marines, paint them with a fleur de lis on the shoulder and call them Battle Sisters and then use Sisters of Battle rules for them.

Part of the reason I like Sisters of Battle is that they are in fact women, and I like being able to tell that my female characters are in fact female just by looking at them. And, to me at least, that kinda necessitates the power armor having a feminine shape.

You are doing yourself a disservice by implying that repainted Space Marines are the only alternative to the curvaceous status quo.

 Pouncey wrote:
Not enough info, really.

Certainly possible, I wouldn't disregard the possibility at all, but the pose makes it tough to tell.

SPOILER FOR SAINTS ROW 3

 Ashiraya wrote:
You are doing yourself a disservice by implying that repainted Space Marines are the only alternative to the curvaceous status quo.

I was replying to someone who said, or strongly implied, the armor doesn't need to look feminine at all.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Not enough info, really.

Certainly possible, I wouldn't disregard the possibility at all, but the pose makes it tough to tell.

SPOILER FOR SAINTS ROW 3

Spoiler:

Start at 5 min 15s.
https://youtu.be/PL4LGpEpMBw?t=5m15s

From what I saw, I'd say no. Could just be me though.

Personally, I'd be fine if they did for Sisters of Battle, what they did for Grey Knights, and basically just translated the existing look into plastic models. Actually I'd prefer that, since I like their current look.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The only part of her armour I can really see past the heavy bolter is the thigh and it looks pretty skinny

I made picture highlighting the thigh, because I like making pictures ^^.

Spoiler:

Those highlight what are imo two different ways to read the image. The first one make it look skinny, yeah. The second one, where the darker part just below the sculpted stuff is also part of the leg, makes it look quite big imo.

The dark part still wasn't very visible on the second image so I highlighted it.

 Pouncey wrote:


I was replying to someone who said, or strongly implied, the armor doesn't need to look feminine at all.

Yeah exactly. You do not have to express your gender with armour plating.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


I was replying to someone who said, or strongly implied, the armor doesn't need to look feminine at all.

Yeah exactly. You do not have to express your gender with armour plating.

Provide an example of a miniature without a feminine figure that looks female.

My Shepard pictures I showed earlier.

 Ashiraya wrote:
My Shepard pictures I showed earlier.

That's a video game character, not a miniature. She's in a third-person-view RPG, she's the size of a Wraithlord on a monitor.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Yeah exactly. You do not have to express your gender with armour plating.

Except, historically, that's not quite true.

http://www.lucyworsley.com/a-little-article-on-the-history-of-the-codpiece/

At one point there was something of an "arms race" with the things, preserved for all posterity in armor.

I am not sure what you are trying to argue?

Nothing you posted either refuted or added to what you quoted. Did you intend to quote someone else?


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 Pouncey wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
My Shepard pictures I showed earlier.

That's a video game character, not a miniature. She's in a third-person-view RPG, she's the size of a Wraithlord on a monitor.

And? You can easily cut down on the amount of detail but keep the same basic shape.

28mm can also have considerable detail, of course, which is not to be ignored.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am not sure what you are trying to argue?

Nothing you posted either refuted or added to what you quoted. Did you intend to quote someone else?

I'm gonna assume you mean me.

I asked for a miniature. Not a video game character.

For an example of the difference, this is an Eldar Striking Scorpion miniature:



And this is an Eldar Striking Scorpion video game character from Eternal Crusade:



You may notice the large differences between the two.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am not sure what you are trying to argue?

Nothing you posted either refuted or added to what you quoted. Did you intend to quote someone else?

WTF? You said armor didn't have to express gender.

Via the enormous armored codpiece, I demonstrated that it definitely did.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am not sure what you are trying to argue?

Nothing you posted either refuted or added to what you quoted. Did you intend to quote someone else?

WTF? You said armor didn't have to express gender.

Via the enormous armored codpiece, I demonstrated that it definitely did.

No you didn't. You show that it can which we already knew.

40K is not burdened by realistic armor concerns. Having females in power armor that doesn't let know they are female is missing the point of having females in power armor. You might as well just use Adeptus Astartes.

Not gonna read the entire thread, as the last few posts seem to be the endless "boob armor" debate. My $0.02 US is that as long as every upgrade option is included, and every squad version is represented, as well as plastic versions of all vehicles, I'd immediately get a Sisters army. My eternal hatred for pewter is the only reason I didn't start a SOB army back in 3rd/4th when I had almost every army. The only reason I DID get an all pewter LOD army is to curb stomp the local Timmy. Past that, I build every army now around not touching pewter or Finecast if I can help it.

 adamsouza wrote:
Having females in power armor that doesn't let know they are female is missing the point of having females in power armor.

You are missing the point of having women in power armor. Hint: it's not cheesecake.

 adamsouza wrote:
Having females in power armor that doesn't let know they are female is missing the point of having females in power armor. You might as well just use Adeptus Astartes

Having males in power armour that doesn't explicitly let know they are male is missing the point of having males in power armour.

Astartes armour is so bulky ANY gender of genetically engineered super soldier could be inside it, so if we want the models to be male, the armour should have prominent penises on it, or bare sections where their big manly shoulder muscles are. Maybe prominent Adams Apple armour?

If you can't tell the model is male from a distance, there's no point having any men in the game at all.

 ArbitorIan wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Having females in power armor that doesn't let know they are female is missing the point of having females in power armor. You might as well just use Adeptus Astartes

Having males in power armour that doesn't explicitly let know they are male is missing the point of having males in power armour.

Astartes armour is so bulky ANY gender of genetically engineered super soldier could be inside it, so if we want the models to be male, the armour should have prominent penises on it, or bare sections where their big manly shoulder muscles are. Maybe prominent Adams Apple armour?

If you can't tell the model is male from a distance, there's no point having any men in the game at all.

Or we could just let the Astartes keep their aesthetic, the Sororitas keep their aesthetic, and not change either one?

I like that idea, personally.

 Pouncey wrote:

 ArbitorIan wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Having females in power armor that doesn't let know they are female is missing the point of having females in power armor. You might as well just use Adeptus Astartes

Having males in power armour that doesn't explicitly let know they are male is missing the point of having males in power armour.

Astartes armour is so bulky ANY gender of genetically engineered super soldier could be inside it, so if we want the models to be male, the armour should have prominent penises on it, or bare sections where their big manly shoulder muscles are. Maybe prominent Adams Apple armour?

If you can't tell the model is male from a distance, there's no point having any men in the game at all.

Or we could just let the Astartes keep their aesthetic, the Sororitas keep their aesthetic, and not change either one?

I like that idea, personally.

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