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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Skitarii rangers? They're troop unit and the box builds vanguard too and has other special weapons. So you will be getting several boxes anyway and thus can easily build focused squads, you just can't equip all your squads identically.

And why shouldn't you be able to?

It's a bit boring? But you know the reason why there are no more weapons in the kit, not enough space. Now one way they could have avoided this was to make Rangers and Vanguards separate kits. That way neither would have needed to include the redundant bits. This is actually the direction they're going these days, dual kits are rare.

But if you for some reason feel all sniper ranger force is something you must absolutely have, then you need to put in some effort. Procure bits or convert. Leftover longrifles from dragoons/ballistari are a good source of longrifle bits. The kit comes on hand held and one holstered rifle, so you will always have at least one leftover. (I'd convert the tip of the gun to look more like the ranger arquebus, as that is the most noticeable difference between these two weapons.)

Steiner wrote:
Just throwing my penny in. Surely it wouldn't be too much to ask if GW did weapon selection kits? It couldn't hurt to have a 'Guard sprue' or a 'CSM sprue' with 2-3 of each of the relevant weapons. I mean, it's not like they don't already do singular versions of that. For example.

Yeah, upgrade kits are something I wish the would do more. They them for several marine chapters, but they could easilly do more generic ones too. They could even throw in some fancier bits to represent relics etc.

I've got a slight side question with conversions\proxies for models that are out of production, e.g. things like the Salamander vehicles or the Macharius Omega from the Guard perspective. Are the percentage GW guidelines any more relaxed for things like that?

I'd expect you to use (probably convert) something that is roughly the same size and shape and has correct(ish) weapons. In this specific instance replacing main guns of a normal Macharius with some sort of a giant plasma weapon shouldn't be too hard and would be easily magnetisable as well.

Seems like people are more strict depending on how easy they think the conversion is. For example, marines have 0 excuse for things like plasma/melta guns when GW sells 5 packs for $10. My Tau are WYSIWYG because crisis weapons are available all over ebay and 3D printed CiBs make up for only having 1 in the Commander kit. The sheer existence of multiple people selling 3d printed CiBs is proof that WYSIWYG does drive purchases.

On the other hand, things like cultists are only available in packs of 3 ranged and 2 melee and doesn't even come with the mandatory cultist champion so "All my cultists are ranged and the pinkest idiots are the champions" is pretty reasonable. For cultists, people seem to prefer conversions/proxies instead of following WYSIWYG. Tau firesight marksmen are another very common conversion since people don't seem to want to buy 3 packs of sniper drones to get a full set.

WYSIWYG drives the secondary market. Nobody is going to buy $275 worth of havoc kits just so they can have 5 reaper chain cannons.

For clarity purposes "all of X have weapon Y" is way less problematic than, "This X has weapon Y but this X here has weapon Z and those X have weapons Å."

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Skitarii rangers? They're troop unit and the box builds vanguard too and has other special weapons. So you will be getting several boxes anyway and thus can easily build focused squads, you just can't equip all your squads identically.

And why shouldn't you be able to?

It's a bit boring? But you know the reason why there are no more weapons in the kit, not enough space. Now one way they could have avoided this was to make Rangers and Vanguards separate kits. That way neither would have needed to include the redundant bits. This is actually the direction they're going these days, dual kits are rare.

But if you for some reason feel all sniper ranger force is something you must absolutely have, then you need to put in some effort. Procure bits or convert. Leftover longrifles from dragoons/ballistari are a good source of longrifle bits. The kit comes on hand held and one holstered rifle, so you will always have at least one leftover. (I'd convert the tip of the gun to look more like the ranger arquebus, as that is the most noticeable difference between these two weapons.)

Steiner wrote:
Just throwing my penny in. Surely it wouldn't be too much to ask if GW did weapon selection kits? It couldn't hurt to have a 'Guard sprue' or a 'CSM sprue' with 2-3 of each of the relevant weapons. I mean, it's not like they don't already do singular versions of that. For example.

Yeah, upgrade kits are something I wish the would do more. They them for several marine chapters, but they could easilly do more generic ones too. They could even throw in some fancier bits to represent relics etc.

I've got a slight side question with conversions\proxies for models that are out of production, e.g. things like the Salamander vehicles or the Macharius Omega from the Guard perspective. Are the percentage GW guidelines any more relaxed for things like that?

I'd expect you to use (probably convert) something that is roughly the same size and shape and has correct(ish) weapons. In this specific instance replacing main guns of a normal Macharius with some sort of a giant plasma weapon shouldn't be too hard and would be easily magnetisable as well.

You don't seem to realize, in your ignorance, the Skitarii kit comes with only one of each Special Weapon (not even two, just one!). Your "not boring" is just a hodgepodge unorganized mess, and VERY unaesthetically pleasing. On top of that it's bad on the tabletop.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

You don't seem to realize, in your ignorance, the Skitarii kit comes with only one of each Special Weapon (not even two, just one!)

I know what is in the kit, I've build a bunch of them. If you buy three booxes for your troops, you can have three squads of ten, each with three of one of the special weapons. This seems perfectly fine to me. Now given that the minumun squad size is five and at that size you can have two special weapons, I agree that that it is mildly annoying that there are not enough weapons to arm them in such a situation. I resolved the matter by using the leftover Dragoon rifles like I explained earlier. Not that it is always necessarily to have any special weapons on your troop slot fillers.

Your "not boring" is just a hodgepodge unorganized mess, and VERY unaesthetically pleasing. On top of that it's bad on the tabletop.

And if you find this to be an issue for you then you need to to procure the needed bits somehow.

Why we keep having this discussion? None of those things you whine about are necessary, they're just things you want to have. If you want a thing, you need to buy or build the thing. Not a hard concept.

 Crimson wrote:
Why we keep having this discussion? None of those things you whine about are necessary, they're just things you want to have. If you want a thing, you need to buy or build the thing. Not a hard concept.

Instant gratification, entitlement, and the convenience of everything in one neat box. Pretty much the same thing that's slaughtering retail vs. online shopping right now.